Do you not think that was someone just looking it up on the system wrongly and/or not really understanding the extra work involved?
Ford Ecoboost 1.0 Cambelt Changes starting to be due @ £1000+
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Do you not think that was someone just looking it up on the system wrongly and/or not really understanding the extra work involved?
My workshop looks after the vans of the 3 main utility companies in the north east , and tbh they are all limited to 62 mph and have telemetrics fit so nobody can drive like a dick without it being picked up on it , the mobile ford techs who have been replacing the belts are doing them in around 3/4 hours , as for the cost to ford for replacement engines , that's anyones guess tbh
Actually if I were looking at buying a new van today , I honestly don't know what brand I would buy , certainly not a ford knowing all the issues we have with them , we still have some 60/61 plate Vivaros on the fleet that are very leggy ,but have far less issues than new models , same with cars , we currently have a Vauxhall Grandland in a dealers with a blown turbo , just out of warranty ,38k on it , serviced every year using correct oil and genuine filters, we are trying to get some goodwill on it , but as yet no joy .
We recently had a 67 plate focus ST 2L diesel , overheating , plastic impeller had come adrift on water pump , spoke to the ford mobile guys , its a very common fault on them , another grand land came in with engine management light on ,turns out the vehicle couldn't complete a regen as the fuel level was below 1/4 !!
We recently had a 67 plate focus ST 2L diesel , overheating , plastic impeller had come adrift on water pump , spoke to the ford mobile guys , its a very common fault on them , another grand land came in with engine management light on ,turns out the vehicle couldn't complete a regen as the fuel level was below 1/4 !!
That would make me want to let it snap
Soldato
Supposed to last the lifetime of the car...
That's because car makers still think cars should be disposed of after 3 years and replaced with new car. It's just engines, it's simple things like changing bulbs are near on impossible on new cars these days.
That's because car makers still think cars should be disposed of after 3 years and replaced with new car. It's just engines, it's simple things like changing bulbs are near on impossible on new cars these days.
Associate
I have the dreaded 1.0 ecoboost engine.
A 2013 Ford Focus.
I had an awful noise from the top of the engine. No one would touch it.
I was offered a lot of low ball offers to buy the car off me by men in garages. I’m 2.5 years into 5 years finance.
I finally had to send my male colleague to the garage - who agreed to remove sump and clean the blocked oil filter. (Funny that)
So my quotes to fix went from £4000+ to £380.. !
Anyway, got the car going - clutch failed a week later.
£500 new clutch ( with a different garage) a week later, EML on!
Took it to the same garage - camshaft position 5 (desired 0) I got the “this is a wetbelt system..” speech which I know off by heart now ha!
So, they agreed to change my timing belt, it’s not snapped yet.
2 weeks later… my cars still there. They’re saying something about a sprocket now after the first attempt to replace. So back in bits probably.
I have no idea how much this will cost - but I will update for anyone who wants a realistic expectation.
Ps. It’s been 16 weeks since my engine first made me aware it was not receiving oil to the top half. So prepare for that.
Fingers crossed my car makes it.
A 2013 Ford Focus.
I had an awful noise from the top of the engine. No one would touch it.
I was offered a lot of low ball offers to buy the car off me by men in garages. I’m 2.5 years into 5 years finance.
I finally had to send my male colleague to the garage - who agreed to remove sump and clean the blocked oil filter. (Funny that)
So my quotes to fix went from £4000+ to £380.. !
Anyway, got the car going - clutch failed a week later.
£500 new clutch ( with a different garage) a week later, EML on!
Took it to the same garage - camshaft position 5 (desired 0) I got the “this is a wetbelt system..” speech which I know off by heart now ha!
So, they agreed to change my timing belt, it’s not snapped yet.
2 weeks later… my cars still there. They’re saying something about a sprocket now after the first attempt to replace. So back in bits probably.
I have no idea how much this will cost - but I will update for anyone who wants a realistic expectation.
Ps. It’s been 16 weeks since my engine first made me aware it was not receiving oil to the top half. So prepare for that.
Fingers crossed my car makes it.
Soldato
Ford really are doing a great job at putting off all their customers it seems. So many recalls recently. As well as this new doozy for the 2.5 Kuga
Don
What would you rather them do - not do anything until loads of cars catch fire?
Seems like a sensible preventative measure this time around based on 3 incidents.
Clearly con-rods shouldn't be failing and breaking through the engine block in the first place - but at least preventing a dangerous outcome gives them more time to investigate the actual cause of the con-rod failure.
All manufacturers have had various faults and issues over time - the only difference is how they are dealt with.
Ford did a frankly disgraceful job with the initial Ecoboost failures, and so quite rightly are now taking a more cautious approach with any new issues that crop up.
Soldato
Happened to a guy at work, his 2015 1.0 EcoBoost blew up and the garage offered him £1000 for it and he took it. Bet they made a tidy profit on that car.
Don
I'm sure it will be absolutely fine. It was the earlier models that were problematic especially prior to any recalls.
It will still be a belt-in-oil, so will still need a cambelt change at some point in the future though, and using the correct oil is vital for longevity of the belt (and helping to avoid problems that @Ellbee277 has described)
The latest 1.0 Ecoboost is chain driven, so should be far less problematic (but equally is so new there may be other issues).
From what I can gather it was introduced 2018 onwards (Focus) / 2020 onwards (Fiesta)
For reference:
Belt-in-Oil
Chain Driven 2018+ onwards (note metal chain cover at left hand side of engine)
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problem is they dont do that quoted mpg unless its going down hill behind a lorry with the wind behind it. a 1.0 engine running 1 bar boost will have volumetric capacity/efficiency to be like a 2.0 engine. and to match that fuel has to double too to keep stochiometric level so cant see how a turbo can increase fuel economy since more air in means more fuel in to match = less mpg.
there may be a certain situation where driving on motorway with partial throttle so turbo is spooled up but very low boost of 2 or 3 psi giving enough torque to use taller gearing but thats probably how the in house testing is done on the rollers with no wind resistance to get the quoted mpg figures.
also law should have been a lot more strict and manufacturers should be legally slapped up if they dont quote real world mpg instead of micky mouse figures.
belt wasn't every a recall issue though ? like the cooling hoses
this is the kinda thing the consumer champion should be driving, does seem a divide and conquer strategy by manufacturers, consumers don't know what % of cars have the problem,
and no real online database for them to signal their problems; maybe uk less litigious than the americans who gang together more.
How many economic ecoboosts did they sell in the usa, less concerned by short term economy/planet and more by car longevity (like the good stuff they get with torque convertor gearboxes in vw's )
edit: since belt change is expensive, for domestic customers, is there a good way/app to discover garages who offer good prices because they do it regularly and are more efficient,
(like the garage mentioned above doing commercial vans) .. you'd be prepared to travel a few miles for that
this is the kinda thing the consumer champion should be driving, does seem a divide and conquer strategy by manufacturers, consumers don't know what % of cars have the problem,
and no real online database for them to signal their problems; maybe uk less litigious than the americans who gang together more.
How many economic ecoboosts did they sell in the usa, less concerned by short term economy/planet and more by car longevity (like the good stuff they get with torque convertor gearboxes in vw's )
edit: since belt change is expensive, for domestic customers, is there a good way/app to discover garages who offer good prices because they do it regularly and are more efficient,
(like the garage mentioned above doing commercial vans) .. you'd be prepared to travel a few miles for that
Looks like my mk3.5 Focus ST has a timing chainShould have bought an ST, cheaper in the long run
That's what happened to the old TDCi engines with the slightly undersized copper washers on the injectors. The job was quoted at £900 I think (back in 2008) and the part was literally 45p. A few places got very quick/good at them and could do them for £450.