Forgot how bad job searching was :(

yeah redvgreen im not looking at making my millions selling prints online, im looking at this as a fulltime career be it shooting weddings, portraits, partys or anything else i can get paid to take pics of. true selling a image to someone for silly money would be nice but im under no impression about making a lot of money.

also iv been out of work for 3 years and had 2 interviews from 700+ applications, and after the last one with g4s a couple of month ago iv about given up on a normal 9-5 job. so may as well give it a go as i have literally nothing to lose at this point.
 
GAC said:
yeah redvgreen im not looking at making my millions selling prints online, im looking at this as a fulltime career be it shooting weddings, portraits, partys or anything else i can get paid to take pics of. true selling a image to someone for silly money would be nice but im under no impression about making a lot of money.

also iv been out of work for 3 years and had 2 interviews from 700+ applications, and after the last one with g4s a couple of month ago iv about given up on a normal 9-5 job. so may as well give it a go as i have literally nothing to lose at this point.
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Sorry, not intending to rain on your parade. It will be an interesting career for you, but one of my family is a professionally trained photographer who has done some amazing pieces featured on many national/international magazines and websites - they've been doing it for 3yrs and haven't even paid off their camera yet, let alone their first L lens or Mac hardware. (if we consider recouping costs alone, not profit).

Your best bet is try to get a placement once you get yourself a decent full-frame sensor DSLR and lens (with a UV Filter - primarily to keep the lens clean and protect from damage!). There are are plenty of websites which can teach you how to shoot different things - and deal with the hardest shots of all:
1. Moving targets.
2. Ultra-bright objects (Moon, Sun, Stars, Fire, lasers, fireworks etc).
 
nah rain away all you want, im getting enough of that from family members and the jobcentre lol.

iv set myself a modest target to hit for a weekly income for the end of the year which hopefully il be able to do. but my first target is being able to pay myself £72 (same as i get from the jobcentre as im at home with the parents) a week as a wage excluding expenses. then il aim higher.

i know it will take a while to take off, which is something il just have to live with. as well as live with what gear i have for now. thankfully i have a few odds and ends so im not starting without some gear or experience.
 
semi-pro waster said:
How did you find this out? It might be relevant to the approach you can take - was it told to you in confidence, did you happen across some documentation or is it something that you can directly take to your CEO?

Do you like your job (and the people you work with) generally speaking? Can you group together with your co-workers to present a united front? What evidence have you presented to show that you are underpaid in comparison to your peers. What reasons has your CEO given regarding why you shouldn't be paid more? What opportunities are there in your area to move jobs easily (or indeed are you willing to move elsewhere)? Are you meeting or exceeding targets and have good performance reviews?

Depending on the answers to the questions if it were me I might be inclined to have a conversation with the CEO to explain that you feel you are underpaid in comparison to peers, present the evidence to back up your claim and hopefully he acknowledges that it needs addressed. If he still doesn't or doesn't give a promise to address it in a reasonable timescale then it might be time to bring in the knowledge that there is budget available but remember if you do that then you show your hand and may have to be ready to move jobs.

If there's budget for higher wages and it's not getting used then it's possible it is being used to provide what is effectively a contingency in case there are overspends elsewhere in the team's budget. This might be something that your CEOs bonus is linked to so if he can show tight control of finance then that will help him. There's also an outside chance that it's being pocketed but that's pretty unlikely I'd have thought.
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A colleague found the document which was present on our shared drive, which we all access hundreds of times daily. Due to there being so much stuff there though, stuff can go unnoticed for months/years.

Perhaps an old record, but our team feels like an afterthought - every other team follows a set pattern (on salary scale):

Senior Manager (£60k)
Manager (£50k)
3 Seniors (£33k)
2 Juniors (£23k)
1 Trainee (£19k)

Whilst ours:

Senior Manager (£60k)
Manager (£50k)
5 Juniors (£23k)
1 Trainee (£19k)

^ Also we have new staff who circumvented the trainee post, and are unqualified and inexperienced who start on the same salary as us (with more quals and exp). So that has potential to rub staff up the wrong way.

Comparably between other teams, we are massively more qualified and deal nationwide, whilst they deal within only the city. Yet we get £10k less pay. Big blow to morale finding this out though, and many are now already in process of applying/leaving.
 
Delvis said:
No A-levels, pretty poor GCSE's, best is a C in Art. And I'm 28. University never interested me unless it was specifically going towards something, so not something like English.
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Delvis said:
No qualifications. IT technician. No idea...

I like drawing, lifting, science stuff, archaeology, technology development stuff...I am however starting to not enjoy IT Support and want to change to something more career worthy, I'm just a bit lost.
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You sound like me, were same age aswell. I have no qualifications except a D in GCSE English and a couple level 2 nvq in IT. Didn't have a clue what I wanted to do. Now I know what I want to do, thanks to my current job. Ill be going back to college 2 evenings a week. But starting back from the bottom (English and maths) and then next year a access course. Then finally 3 years in Uni. Very daunting thinking that's what my life will be for the next 5 years. I don't think im even college material let alone uni, so we shall see.

Delvis have you looked at evening courses, even if they are very basic simple ones at least you will get a taster of what you might want to do:)
 
well just had two days on a business planning course with some mad glaswegian which was interesting and funny.

basicaly going over the basics as far as writing a business plan, money management inc tax ni vat and how to try and not screw up in your first year. a lot of it was stuff you'd expect people to know looking at setting up on their own but some other stuff which was handy and interesting, especially coming from a guy with over 30 years of being self employed.

next up is getting put on a social media course. again probably a lot i already know but il take it as its free advice so is always welcomed.
 
Thanks sports brah

bakes0310 said:
You sound like me, were same age aswell. I have no qualifications except a D in GCSE English and a couple level 2 nvq in IT. Didn't have a clue what I wanted to do. Now I know what I want to do, thanks to my current job. Ill be going back to college 2 evenings a week. But starting back from the bottom (English and maths) and then next year a access course. Then finally 3 years in Uni. Very daunting thinking that's what my life will be for the next 5 years. I don't think im even college material let alone uni, so we shall see.

Delvis have you looked at evening courses, even if they are very basic simple ones at least you will get a taster of what you might want to do:)
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What sort if courses do you mean though buddy? :)
 
honestly Delvis why not look at personal training as outside of trying to go get a degree in archeology sounds like you may get bored it most things.

unless you become the next dyson and start inventing things and make millions of course.

the thing is not everyone can do their dream job or even a job they enjoy. end of the day you work to have money in your pocket. sounds like you need to have a good think about what you want. money or a job you enjoy and find interesting.

but just remember no matter what job you do, after 30 years or so you will get bored of it unless its your passion or changes a lot.
 
Personal training doesn't really appeal to me...if I was to do that it would be more specific rather than a PT in a chain gym.

Honestly though I have no idea, as long as I can enjoy the job a bit (I.e. do work and be challenged etc) and there's some progression to follow or the possibility of moving departments I would be happy.
 
maybe take a step back and think how much money you need to live off of. then look at what possible career paths you could take, as you maybe able to go down the archaeology route but unless you find something special or write a best seller i doubt you'd be well off. but id imagine as long as your doing different sites (history wise) it at least changes BUT do remember you'l still be doing the same basic stuff at each site.

but from my own personal experience try and do something about it now as the older you get the more you try and second guess what you should do and before you know it 5 years of thinking has passed which you could have done something at uni or moved on from a junior position in a career path.

as for specific paths thats down to you, but i cant say this enough. no matter what you do you will end up with various aspects of the job being repetitive of course some more so than others depending on what the job is.
 
To be honest the archaeology thing is more of an interest than something I'd persue. Basically I like coming home after work and going to the gym, so work that involves staying away probably won't be an idea.

My issue is knowing what to do, as I literally have no idea as my work has been just IT basically, bar some work making speakers and delivery work. If I knew what I wanted to do I wouldn't have an issue :p I sometimes think about going down the Art route as I do enjoy drawing still when I get a chance however I know its a competitive market, otherwise others say I should do photography but again, never done it.
 
well thats what im in the throws of doing myself at the mo, seen some of the shockingly bad work floating around locally thats getting people paid so thought may as well have a go as im not doing anything else. so worth a shot.

you could go that way, get a few cash in hand gigs while still working and then look at making it full time. also gives you the ability to throw money at it a bit more. wish i had done this before having to stop working 3 years ago. would make it a lot easier than im finding it for now with lack of new kit buying ability.
 
I just need to decide on something then go for it really. I just don't want to get in to the position of being unable to find anything again.
 
well go for something or carry on working IT or other 9-5's thats the problem now. your young enough and have money coming in to pay for courses so nows the time to jump at it. before you decided you need a house/car/gold plated toilet.
 
The toilet would be nice.

Like I said, its the deciding part, as most things IVE not tried before so I wouldn't know if I ewanted to do that or not :)
 
well get some idea's and hit twitter and ask people who do it. you'd be surprised as how many replies you make actually get.
 
Really need some good ol advice. I'm finding it quite difficult since i decided to jump ship from the care industry into IT. I'm now trying to get certified (comptia a+, network +) but would want to work and get some experience while trying to get certified. I have sent over 100 CVs as a 1st line support to different IT companies but getting nowhere. It has been dragging me down and loosing hope already. Is there a chance that someone will employ me without any previous paid work experience in IT?
 
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