French woman raped 92 times by 72 men

[Richie]

I'd consider a kink as something a person didn't need to do.

So missionary position and only for procreation then given everything else is not something a person needs to do?

With the above, combined with the "soddom and gamorrorah" part of your post, it infers a level of naivete in your views surrounding sex.

 

[GGizmo]

So missionary position and only for procreation then given everything else is not something a person needs to do?

Yes, other positions used to be a kink.

With the above, combined with the "soddom and gamorrorah" part of your post, it infers a level of naivete in your views surrounding sex.

I helped run an online sex channel for 25 years. I'm far from naive.

The point I'm making isn't complaining about the kinks. It's asking the question of where will end? When it goes too far can it be reigned in?

The reality is the act what this guy did isn't out of left field. There is a kink for sleep sex. Upskirting isn't a minority kink either. People go further than flirting, groping, bodily fluids all nonconsensual all growing in popularity.

 

[Richie]

I helped run an online sex channel for 25 years. I'm far from naive.
....
There is a kink for sleep sex. Upskirting isn't a minority kink either.

Given your stated experience, you must know that the "kinks" you mention are criminally illegal so this is not the same as legal kinks and the difference is hugely relevant

 

[GGizmo]

Given your stated experience, you must know that the "kinks" you mention are criminally illegal so this is not the same as legal kinks and the difference is hugely relevant

Yes. My thought is that it's a sliding scale.

As you mentioned homosexuality was illegal at one time, so was heterosexual anal sex. But as greater numbers were doing it the law changed.

We're already seeing a similar thing happening with illegal images of children. Thousands of people are downloading illegal images that the sentencing advice is for them not to be jailed, likely because there is not enough space.

Germany as voted to reduce its minimum sentencing.

The UN is wanting to vote to decriminalise the offence when the offender is a child. In my view this is going to increase the amount of illegal images online, so it's likely to increase the number of adult offenders.

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There is recently a guy doing the media rounds promoting incest. I think you'd have a difficult time arguing against it from the principles of your advocacy of other kinks.

 

[Freakbro]

Nothing has changed throughout human history regarding people's sexual desires, the only thing that changes is societies attitudes towards them.

Glender fluidity, homosexuality, incest, child sex, rape have been parts of human sexual practices forever, all with varying degrees of acceptance or persecution at any specific period in history, there's nothing different about modern times.

 

[ttaskmaster]

Yes, other positions used to be a kink.

To be more accurate - No they didn't... then they were, then they weren't, then they were again, then people slowly started to wake back up and we're now at the stage where most people are at least open-minded about it.
Obviously this depends which nation, time period and religion you live in, and the UK has a reputation for being pretty darn uptight and unreasonable about such things.

I helped run an online sex channel for 25 years. I'm far from naive.

How come you had no idea what a Munch was, then?

The point I'm making isn't complaining about the kinks. It's asking the question of where will end? When it goes too far can it be reigned in?

You're asking the wrong question - So long as willing consent is given by people legally capable of giving it, there's no problem.
The problem is one of violation, be it a sexual matter, or the myriad other forms.
Ask yourself why those people maintain the opinion that their desires trump their victims' consent.

There is a kink for sleep sex. Upskirting isn't a minority kink either. People go further than flirting, groping, bodily fluids all nonconsensual all growing in popularity.

How many people need to be into something, as a percentage, before you no longer proclaim it as a kink, then?
These things you mention here again have been around for centuries. If anything, the modern world is making massive strides in ways people can indulge in these fantasies while still keeping it safe and consensual.

So what's the problem in your opinion, and why is it rooted in sex/porn/people having the courage to be honest about their desires?

 

[GGizmo]

How come you had no idea what a Munch was, then?

I'm the one who mentioned it and explained what it was in case people reading didn't know.

You're asking the wrong question - So long as willing consent is given by people legally capable of giving it, there's no problem.

So you think incest is ok as long as both are above the age of consent and agree?

The problem is one of violation, be it a sexual matter, or the myriad other forms.
Ask yourself why those people maintain the opinion that their desires trump their victims' consent.

I'm talking about how society is accepting behaviour that was previously frowned upon.

How many people need to be into something, as a percentage, before you no longer proclaim it as a kink, then?

When it moves from the edges of sexual activity that it becomes normal to openly talk about it and there is no judgement by the majority.

These things you mention here again have been around for centuries. If anything, the modern world is making massive strides in ways people can indulge in these fantasies while still keeping it safe and consensual.

So what's the problem in your opinion, and why is it rooted in sex/porn/people having the courage to be honest about their desires?

I'm saying when we have kids strangling each other during sex then there is a problem.

By your Kinseyian set of principles you'll end up allowing everything. Because they are being "honest about their desires".

As an example you have no defense against incest. I would call incest a kink. What would you call it?

I can't believe we have people defending the crime in the OP. I comment against the degeneracy and people attack me.

PS. I'm going to put the thread on ignore. Because this is just too bizarre that my morals are being questioned because I call out the degeneracy of society.

 

[ttaskmaster]

I'm the one who mentioned it and explained what it was in case people reading didn't know.

Yeah, but your explanation was wrong.

So you think incest is ok as long as both are above the age of consent and agree?

Such things cannot be rendered lawful just because the persons concerned consent to it.

I'm talking about how society is accepting behaviour that was previously frowned upon.

What, like women doing 'men jobs' or having the right to vote?

When it moves from the edges of sexual activity that it becomes normal to openly talk about it and there is no judgement by the majority.

Good thinking, Batman... because closed-minded repression has always been such a resounding success in times past....

I'm saying when we have kids strangling each other during sex then there is a problem.

Is this a particularly pervasive issue in modern schools, then?

By your Kinseyian set of principles you'll end up allowing everything. Because they are being "honest about their desires".

Kinsey grew up in a religiously strict and highly repressive environment, which is pretty common among many sexual offenders.
The rule is that if you're having fun and not hurting anyone, including yourself, there is no problem - Hurt is decided by society and the law. If the majority decide that being gay or liking some kinky stuff is not damaging behaviour, then that's how it goes. You can either like it or move to some far-away island.

As an example you have no defense against incest. I would call incest a kink. What would you call it?

I call it a crime, actually.
However, fauxcest and other roleplay scenarios are not the same thing, are they?
But then, just because some people are into something doesn't mean you have to be - That's the benefit of being a sentient being with the ability to choose... You just can't inflict your choices on everyone else.

I can't believe we have people defending the crime in the OP. I comment against the degeneracy and people attack me.

I can't believe you think we're defending it, or that you cannot tell the difference.... which, coincidentally, is part of the problem in such offenders.

PS. I'm going to put the thread on ignore. Because this is just too bizarre that my morals are being questioned because I call out the degeneracy of society.

Yeah, I think it best you stay in your own echo chamber. Society defines its own morality, not the individual.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

State execution for all rapists and pedos, problem solved.

 

[StriderX]

State execution for all rapists and pedos, problem solved.

Nice way for a government to get rid of people.

 

[sidimmu]

State execution for all rapists and pedos, problem solved.

Hard agree.

 

[Richie]

State execution for all .... pedos, problem solved.

Hard agree.

Really? You want to execute people that haven't broken any law?

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

Really? You want to execute people that haven't broken any law?

Your location checks out.

 

[sidimmu]

Really? You want to execute people that haven't broken any law?

Wonderful humour in such a humorous thread.

 

[ttaskmaster]

Really? You want to execute people that haven't broken any law?

I could be wrong, and I'm sure you'll tell me how wrong I am, but.... I'm preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure rape is a crime in the UK, no?
And while paedophilia itself (and whatever other similar conditions you wish to include) may be a mental disorder requiring treatment, anyone who acts on it is nonetheless guilty of any number of crimes.

 

[Richie]

Wonderful humour in such a humorous thread.

You find execution of people that have not broken any kind of laws humorous?

I could be wrong, and I'm sure you'll tell me how wrong I am, but.... I'm preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure rape is a crime in the UK, no?

Yes but then, I could be wrong, and I'm sure you'll tell me how wrong I am, but.... I'm preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure I didn't include that part of the quote in my post, no?

And while paedophilia itself (and whatever other similar conditions you wish to include) may be a mental disorder requiring treatment, anyone who acts on it is nonetheless guilty of any number of crimes.

At least someone managed to get my point.. I doubt anyone in the UK has ever been convicted of paedophilia but, if it has happened, I am sure someone can show an example of this
/pedant

 

[ttaskmaster]

Yes but then, I could be wrong, and I'm sure you'll tell me how wrong I am, but.... I'm preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure I didn't include that part of the quote in my post, no?

It is part of the same family of offences, hence the re-inclusion for context.

At least someone managed to get my point.. I doubt anyone in the UK has ever been convicted of paedophilia but, if it has happened, I am sure someone can show an example of this
/pedant

No, but the rate of those who do not offend is currently estimated at 8-10%.
It would, of course, be more prudent to preventatively treat the problem at source, but as you know from other threads here - Execution and eradication is the only answer people are willing to entertain.