Fringe

drunkenmaster said:
I really don't know why I bother, its Abrams which means you MIGHT get a good first 2-3 series, then the show will randomly and for no reason turn everything on its head, rewrite everything that happened, make no sense, change everything from one episode to the next and become almost unwatchable.

The only other option is, he makes a show that is retarded to start with and goes downhill quickly. Persons of interest was almost watchable first ep, but VERY stupid in general, its gone downhill quickly and, the last 2-3 episodes have just been so entirely ridiculous, stupid, poorly down throughout and made no sense.


Alias, started off great, somewhat original, interesting, got more ridiculous and then series what 3 was it started to go downhill, series 4/5 were awful, and stupid and just classic retarded Abrams.

Lost, started off great, quickly got ridiculous, by series 3 it was such convoluted nonsense. Fringe going the same way.

My theory is he's a druggy, he manages 2-3 years clean and sober, then cracks, spends a year on heroine and absinthe, destroys a show, gets sober and starts a new series.
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I hate to burst your bubble but Fringe is mainly written by Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman (Transformers 1 & 2, Star Trek, Alias) while Lost is Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse. JJ Abrams is only credited as writer on every episode as he is the creator of the shows and executive producer. Abrams may write a few episodes and direct them but mostly he leaves them in the hands of showrunners.

Same thing happened to Millennium when Chris Carter went to concentrate on X-Files and left the show in the other hands which produced a patchy second season.
 
I just get the feeling this show should have ended at 3, Im still enjoying it but season 3 ending episode had the finale feeling of an entire series and by that point they werent even renewed for a fourth and once they were they gone into panic mode and have come up with season 4 which so far im enjoying but it feels un-needed and like they arent sure what to do with it.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering what's happened to this. I got really, really into Fringe again with Season 3, it was great and it seemed like they were setting up for a really good season 4 too, but so far it's been a mess. They haven't explained any of the 'main' storyline stuff yet, and they seem to have completely forgotten about the the other dimensions and the co-operative effort that was supposed to be happening with them.

And am I imagining things, or have they just plucked the "Nina Sharp looked after Olivia when she was a young girl" thing out of absolutely nowhere? I may have missed something but I don't recall that ever being referenced before now.
 
TheVoice said:
And am I imagining things, or have they just plucked the "Nina Sharp looked after Olivia when she was a young girl" thing out of absolutely nowhere? I may have missed something but I don't recall that ever being referenced before now.
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Something to do with the fact that Peter wasn't around when they were younger and somehow altered the timeline? :confused:
 
TheVoice said:
And am I imagining things, or have they just plucked the "Nina Sharp looked after Olivia when she was a young girl" thing out of absolutely nowhere? I may have missed something but I don't recall that ever being referenced before now.
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They have literally rewritten every character! How can they possibly get it back to something that makes sense?
 
It does involve time lines. Im just going along with it all. I don't think you could go back to the seasons for reference since we don't know
What excactly has changed when peter disappeared at the end of season 3
 
TheVoice said:
And am I imagining things, or have they just plucked the "Nina Sharp looked after Olivia when she was a young girl" thing out of absolutely nowhere? I may have missed something but I don't recall that ever being referenced before now.
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It has been mentioned previously that both Olivia and her sister were raised by Nina, I believe during the discussion with Fauxlivia early on.
 
Think i am going to stick with it because it isn't beyond saving imo, but they need to pull something brilliant out of their ***** for it to make any sense. It is such a shame because the 4th season could have been brilliant judging by season 3.

Unfortunately we will have to wait until January for the next episode, hopefully by then they might have come to their senses, but from what i am reading, the 4th season is actually getting really goods reviews:eek:
 
Last night I watched episodes 8 and 9 of the new series(its back btw) and I thought it was a great improvement. The Overall story seems to be taking a little better shape now.

After being very disappointed with the start of this season, I was pleasantly surprised at these episodes and I would say it is almost back on track
 
Agree with the comments above, much prefer the episodes that are all about the big plot rather than just the monster of the week stuff.

But a lot of US shows are like this I guess to not alienate the casual viewer :(
 
Yea I too was disappointed with S4 opening story line, but agree with above the latest episodes do seem to be finally moving! Unfortunately though the numbers continue to be extremely low, according to their nielsen ratings (which I find totally crap). Still I find it to be a great show and wish for more seasons (I need to see anna torv weekly! ;) ) but unfortunately I don't see that happening, they have to give us a proper ending though with the inevitable axe hanging over their heads! :/
 
Weazle said:
I hate to burst your bubble but Fringe is mainly written by Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman (Transformers 1 & 2, Star Trek, Alias) while Lost is Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse. JJ Abrams is only credited as writer on every episode as he is the creator of the shows and executive producer. Abrams may write a few episodes and direct them but mostly he leaves them in the hands of showrunners.
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He's got a point though. All Abrams produced shows end up with the same problem. Lost had the best syndication since Friends. The show was literally unsinkable, with just a simple maintaining of semi coherent writing it could go on for decades on syndication deals with foreign networks alone. You would just open revolving doors of ever changing passengers and their lead stories. Not even writers strike brought it down, and let's face it - whatever happened during that shortened season was one trippy, crazy, incoherent ride. And then they've just gone and destroyed the monster of a show in matter of 10-20 episodes, running on fumes and finally letting it die on a massive mash up of soap opera cliches they originally promised not to touch. And this happens to every J.J. Abrams produced show.
Fringe had fantastic ideas in both short and long arc stories for the first two seasons, but they hooked on like leeches to the trippy story arc that nearly killed them off last time and made it even more crazy. It's almost like it's well insured or if that time slot is contractually pinned to production crew and the moment numbers go down they just do everything in their power to sink it. This show writing is just soooooo unstable with its up and downs - and man, when it's up, it's brilliant, but when it goes down, it's is one step from having some sort of continuity-overlap-in-a-timeline-in-timeline-in-dimension-in-a-dream slap on 5 minute internet wrap up before it gets canned.
 
Unfortunately, or fortunately for the film whose name I've forgotten that was pretty good, 70's + alien thing, which ultimately meant Alcatraz was due to be a big pile of steaming ***** from Abrams, good last year, crap this year, stands true.

It's started off feeling like Fringe's worst episodes :(

AS for Fringe, getting very bored with it, "we've reset the universe, lets basically rerun the show from the start with the same characters and pretty much carbon copy storylines for each episode".

I mean, that could be a clever "story" that the universe loops around and around doing almost the same thing, clever, sure, interesting....... no.
 
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