Froch vs Groves

Steedie said:
Oh sorry, didn't realise I was talking to a seasoned boxing veteran.

I wasn't referring to his boxing skills either, more the fact that he is a complete tool who made himself look like an idiot the entire pre-fight build up and then offered nothing that he said he would. So glad that he got knocked out the way he did, just a shame that wasn't the first punch of the fight.
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All that crap pre-fight was clearly just to sell tickets and hype it up for Sky. He's not like that atall, and his interviews after the fight have proven that.
 
[TW]Sponge;26385133 said:
Froch was just barely winning on points until the knockout. You can't possibly say he 'destroyed' Groves when he clearly didn't, even though he won the fight with a very good punch.

Don't get me wrong, Froch is the better fighter and always will be in that weight, But when he steps down, Groves looks to be the next best.
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I think it looks more equal than it was due to Froch looking a bit nervy and Groves brought a good game to the fight - not a great fan of him but he put up one **** of a fight.

In actuality Froch controlled much of the fight both in going forward and backing up it was all at his pace and some subtle throws showed his head was in the game unlike the previous fight when he seemed to be almost lost and reacting to the fight rather than leading it, could see Froch knew Groves wasn't getting up from that punch when he landed it so I don't think it unfair really to say Groves got demolished just the execution was a bit lacking in presentation.
 
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SlugForAButt said:
2 last fights and 2 one punch knockouts say Groves DOES have a problem chin.
And I think if the fight was arranged, DeGale would put that loudmouth Groves on his arse too. He reminded me so much of that arse Eubank with his idiotic entrance, shame he doesnt have his chin or his punch.
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Except of course, you know, he wasn't knocked out in any of his fights prior to last night.
 
No it's not, he's been put down once in his career and was stopped in the previous fight after taking a beating that would've put down most fighters and most people thought he was fine to continue.

You're wrong to say he has a glass jaw and you're wrong to say he's been banged out twice.
 
SlugForAButt said:
The first fighter of note that he has been in with has banged him out twice in two fights.
You can argue semantics till you're blue in the face, but that's the size of it.
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Banged out? What? The first fight ended in unbelievably premature fashion, widely regarded as so, Groves didn't get 'banged out', neither did he get 'one punch knocked out' in the first fight.

As you say, pointless discussing semantics when you're using totally inappropriate phrases.
 
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SlugForAButt said:
The first fighter of note that he has been in with has banged him out twice in two fights.
You can argue semantics till you're blue in the face, but that's the size of it.
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It seems you have only seen 2 of Groves' fights and you have one of those wrong.

Groves also beat Degale as well, who is now the mandatory challenger for the title.
 
In the first fight, every time Froch landed with a decent power shot Groves got 'buzzed up' by it and had to hold/spoil until his head cleared. The stoppage was a culmination of his brain being scrambled too many times that he was struggling to defend himself. While Froch didn't manage to land a clean KO blow on that occasion, one would have to feel it was only a matter of time before he got caught cleanly with a booming power shot. Based on Saturday, the first stoppage was probably a blessing in disguise for him.
 
rubberduck said:
In the first fight, every time Froch landed with a decent power shot Groves got 'buzzed up' by it and had to hold/spoil until his head cleared. The stoppage was a culmination of his brain being scrambled too many times that he was struggling to defend himself. While Froch didn't manage to land a clean KO blow on that occasion, one would have to feel it was only a matter of time before he got caught cleanly with a booming power shot. Based on Saturday, the first stoppage was probably a blessing in disguise for him.
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I think this fight in some ways emphasises how right that stoppage was - Froch was going for a lot of illegal blows in the first fight and if he'd landed a blow of that power to the back of the head in the condition Groves was in it could have had a lot worse consequences. Still think Froch was recovering from some illness in the first fight in that one he looked like he had no energy, attention was wandering - he was struggling to keep with the pace of the fight and resorting to a lot of dirty tactics while in this fight he was for the most part in control, reading the game and showing far more energy.
 
rubberduck said:
In the first fight, every time Froch landed with a decent power shot Groves got 'buzzed up' by it and had to hold/spoil until his head cleared. The stoppage was a culmination of his brain being scrambled too many times that he was struggling to defend himself. While Froch didn't manage to land a clean KO blow on that occasion, one would have to feel it was only a matter of time before he got caught cleanly with a booming power shot. Based on Saturday, the first stoppage was probably a blessing in disguise for him.
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In that respect, it should have been stopped in the first then when Groves put him on his arse.
 
Rroff said:
I think this fight in some ways emphasises how right that stoppage was - Froch was going for a lot of illegal blows in the first fight and if he'd landed a blow of that power to the back of the head in the condition Groves was in it could have had a lot worse consequences. Still think Froch was recovering from some illness in the first fight in that one he looked like he had no energy, attention was wandering - he was struggling to keep with the pace of the fight and resorting to a lot of dirty tactics while in this fight he was for the most part in control, reading the game and showing far more energy.
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He underestimated Groves, he said after the first fight that he hadn't prepared properly.
 
Groves was really finding his groove before he got decked. The second best punch in the fight was Groves round 7 left hook which shook Froch visibly.

The problem was that it's doubtful that Groves could ever knock Froch out.

You can see in the replay froch was trying to set that punch up all round 8. While I have no great love for Froch I wish him well but I can see him being bested by the likes of golovkin should he step up in weight, or of course chavez jr
 
G|mp said:
In that respect, it should have been stopped in the first then when Groves put him on his arse.
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Why? Froch walked on to a big shot and got up too quick for his own good, his legs initially looked unsteady but when the referee brought them together to box he was able to hold his gloves up and defend himself more than adequately. Are you advocating that a fight should be stopped as soon as a fighter is knocked down?
 
rubberduck said:
Why? Froch walked on to a big shot and got up too quick for his own good, his legs initially looked unsteady but when the referee brought them together to box he was able to hold his gloves up and defend himself more than adequately. Are you advocating that a fight should be stopped as soon as a fighter is knocked down?
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Groves got up after he got knocked out the other night.

Froch was struggling for a couple of rounds as I remember it from the first fight. Froch was 'buzzed' as you put it a fair few times in the one round, it depends how far your opinion of being knocked out is, one things for sure, Froch knows Groves can land a decent punch as well.
 
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