From 4770k to 2700x, does it even make sense?

[razorpakk]

I guess I'm finally bottlenecked: moving from a 1070 to a 2080 at 1440p/165Hz, I'm seeing Odyssey GPU usage between 75 and 95%.

Plus games like FFXV and Kingdom Come: Deliverance are a stutter fest while also displaying a similarly low GPU usage (but I believe - especially for Deliverance - the stutters are due to how buggy they are).

Would going from a 4770k @4.4 to a Ryzen @ 4.2 or whatever they get to, guarantee my 2080 will be utilised properly? While the answer might seem obvious, it isn't as much as I know my OC'd Haswell has almost the same IPC as a 2700x.

 

[Robert]

I’ve just made the switch (awaiting delivery) from a 4770k/ROG gene vi to a 2700x and Gigabyte auros MATX.

I’ve managed to get £200 for my old kit (which is on the low side, but it’s for family). Also, I had a USB issue with my gene board. Was briefly tempted by intel, but prices are insane.

 

[razorpakk]

I’ve just made the switch (awaiting delivery) from a 4770k/ROG gene vi to a 2700x and Gigabyte auros MATX.

I’ve managed to get £200 for my old kit (which is on the low side, but it’s for family). Also, I had a USB issue with my gene board. Was briefly tempted by intel, but prices are insane.

Alright, I'll be happy if you could give me any feedback once you're ready with the new rig! Especially if you were experiencing some bottlenecks at any point.

 

[SiDeards73]

Ive been running a CH6 and 1700 @3.9ghz and 3200mhz ram for a year or so now and i moved from a 4770k @4.3ghz (it was a bad clocker) and i couldnt be happier, single threaded its marginally faster but anything multithreaded this chip just destroys the 4770k at. Ontop of that i thought my i7 was smooth but the Ryzen is just incredible in how much smoother it is.

I used to get microstutters with the i7 when playing Grim Dawn and a few other ARPG's, never had anything of the sort since being on Ryzen. And this is 1st gen Ryzen, i can imagine a 2700X is significantly better as well.

 

[elrasho]

Ive been running a CH6 and 1700 @3.9ghz and 3200mhz ram for a year or so now and i moved from a 4770k @4.3ghz (it was a bad clocker) and i couldnt be happier, single threaded its marginally faster but anything multithreaded this chip just destroys the 4770k at. Ontop of that i thought my i7 was smooth but the Ryzen is just incredible in how much smoother it is.

I used to get microstutters with the i7 when playing Grim Dawn and a few other ARPG's, never had anything of the sort since being on Ryzen. And this is 1st gen Ryzen, i can imagine a 2700X is significantly better as well.

You seem to love your Ryzen setup. With the Intel 9 series being way overpriced I'm tempted to get a 2700 setup as the AM4 socket is going to be supported for a long time

 

[youdsy]

yeah ive got a 4790K and im not happy with overall smoothness. with the prices of the new intel i might just go AMD but would be intrigued to know about your experience also.

 

[razorpakk]

Keen on getting more feedback, I understand a few people's experience, but whenever I check reviews online comparing Ryzen to Haswell (or the 6700k which is very similar), it's really not that different. Sometimes Actually Haswell still performs better in games :/

 

[SiDeards73]

Keen on getting more feedback, I understand a few people's experience, but whenever I check reviews online comparing Ryzen to Haswell (or the 6700k which is very similar), it's really not that different. Sometimes Actually Haswell still performs better in games :/

you have to look at the bigger picture however, while it might not be significantly faster in single threaded, its on average 9% slower than an 8700k @ 1080p using a 1080ti on Ultra settings (according to Hardware unboxed) in multithreaded stuff it absolutely destroys my old 4770k.

For example, i regularly have 10 or so Chrome tabs open at any given time, i mainly play ARPG's and MMORPGs, ontop of this i would have youtube running in one tab, and looking at strat guides, loot guides, class guides etc in other tabs, WinAmp playing in the background, then add in all the motherboard utilities, my Qnap utilitie, Samsung Wizard etc etc, basically tons of stuff running in the background, i used to have to run a Memory cleaner at the same time that would aggressively cull memory usage on my 4770k to keep it running smooth, if i didnt id bottom out the ram usage and it would become a slideshow mess.

On my Ryzen i run exactly the same, however i have yet to experience anything of the sort, obviously ive moved from 8gb of 2400mhz DDR3 on the 4770k to 16GB of 3200mhz DDR4 on the Ryzen, this has benefitted me a ton, but overall games just feel incredibly smoother.

Ive lost freesync as i went from a 290 to a 1070, on the 4770k i noticed with the microstutters due to too much going on, it seemed emphasised in games, on the Ryzen i have yet to experience anything of the sort, obviously the CPU has zero impact on freesync being on or off, but overall the games just feel incredibly smoother.

Alt tabbing between stuff is instant as well, where as with the 4770k there would be a pause between it, and playing MMORPGS if i had to tab out for whatever reason i could never do it during combat or id basically end up dying lol, now with the Ryzen i can tab in and out fast enough for it to not matter, its little things like this that are quality of life improvements that you cannot measure by FPS etc.

Overall moving from a 4c8t to a 8c16t has been an absolute joy and i would never ever go back now.

 

[elrasho]

Yep I have seen that before so I'm not that interested in upgrading.

We both have different needs, I'm a AAA game player so I need a good gaming CPU. Looking at benchmarks the 2700X just add 2 FPS on average over my i7 4790K so I'm gonna hold fire until the next Ryzen, if thats significantly better than my CPU I'll do the upgrade.

 

[razorpakk]

I want to share my mindset: I know this is a limited case scenario, but it's what usually stops me from jumping boat: If I'm spending 600£ to move from a 5 years old CPU, I don't want to ever see the new product performing worse than mine (My oc'ed Haswell is essentially a stock 4790k).

 

[elrasho]

That's exactly the same site I looked at that put me off upgrading

 

[Robert]

I see your point, but that’s at 1080 where none of the CPUs are drastically different.

Also, the 8700k costs 450 atm, and it’s what - single digit faster than your chip? That’s not value.

 

[SiDeards73]

Well yeah if you game at 1080p Intel is of course faster... if your on 1440p or 4k, then well... AMD is definitely comparable option.

 

[youdsy]

I want to share my mindset: I know this is a limited case scenario, but it's what usually stops me from jumping boat: If I'm spending 600£ to move from a 5 years old CPU, I don't want to ever see the new product performing worse than mine (My oc'ed Haswell is essentially a stock 4790k).

doesnt show frametimes and general smoothness though.

 

[razorpakk]

I see your point, but that’s at 1080 where none of the CPUs are drastically different.

Also, the 8700k costs 450 atm, and it’s what - single digit faster than your chip? That’s not value.

I agree, but I was just explaining the mindset behind finding it hard to "upgrade".

If I'm upgrading after 5 years, I'm expecting to have a clearly better performance in absolutely every situation.

I'm at 1440p and I'm sure Ryzen would be better, but those extreme cases still turn me off.

doesnt show frametimes and general smoothness though.

True that.

 

[SiDeards73]

I agree, but I was just explaining the mindset behind finding it hard to "upgrade".

If I'm upgrading after 5 years, I'm expecting to have a clearly better performance in absolutely every situation.

I'm at 1440p and I'm sure Ryzen would be better, but those extreme cases still turn me off.



True that.

Well again, im at 1440p, from a 4770K @ 4.3ghz to a Ryzen 1700, and i couldnt be happier, i miss adaptive sync, once i go back to that, the cpu almost becomes irrelevant.

If i had adaptive sync and was looking at a CPU upgrade i would probably just pick whichever was the cheapest that fit my needs to be honest.

 

[razorpakk]

Well again, im at 1440p, from a 4770K @ 4.3ghz to a Ryzen 1700, and i couldnt be happier, i miss adaptive sync, once i go back to that, the cpu almost becomes irrelevant.

If i had adaptive sync and was looking at a CPU upgrade i would probably just pick whichever was the cheapest that fit my needs to be honest.

The issue is I've never being bothered until I had the 1070 as it was always used at 99%, it's just now with the 2080 that I'm seeing around 80% in many games.

I just wonder if even with Ryzen (given I would be at similar speeds for similar IPC) I would see the same usage. Although I guess more cores would smooth things out.

 

[SiDeards73]

The issue is I've never being bothered until I had the 1070 as it was always used at 99%, it's just now with the 2080 that I'm seeing around 80% in many games.

I just wonder if even with Ryzen (given I would be at similar speeds for similar IPC) I would see the same usage. Although I guess more cores would smooth things out.

2080 is effectively the same performance as a 1080ti right? give or take a few %? until they get those RTX features going i guess, DLSS etc... so i would canvas people with a 2700X who game on a 1080ti @ 1440p.

 

[razorpakk]

Yes, is a dumb overpriced 1080Ti right now (sometimes still regret buying it).

 

[adwol48]

see I'm trying not to pull the wallet out to replace my 3770k but for my needs a 2700x probably makes sense to. i do a fair bit of video encoding plus a few live streams here. and going from 4c/8t to 8c/16t i should notice a hell of change, would be nice to go intel again for the ipc but cant justify the prices intel want for the 9900k.