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Cost of capital to buy the next load?
Fuel price discussion thread (was ‘chaos’)
- Thread starter watercooledman
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If they weren't getting regular deliveries they might have been selling less fuel than usual and hence had to increase prices to cover their overheads. The one stat I'd like to see would be how much fuel was actually getting sold during the 'crisis' i.e. was there less than usual or was it just a shortage because more people were buying (self-fulfilling prophecy).
Despite the oil price being so high we're still above the price the last time the Oil price itself was this high. I suspect a few parts of the chain are taking extra after losing to much during lockdown. If the Retailer adds on 5p per litre and the producer adds on a few pence extra this is where we end up. In hindsight not the best time to buy a thirstier car than what I had before LOL.
In my area it’s always BP that are 2-3p more expensive. Weird thing is they’re always rammed too, just as busy as other stations.
West London yesterday no shortages anymore obviously but E5 Super @ £1.59.99 local Shell. Spoke to the manager he was quite honest about it said the E10 switchover mean they had to run down E5 over early September this caused the shortage which became chronic one the media started to report on this 
Now they are charging the highest possible price they can to recoup all the losses in Sept from panic buying disrupting the supply chain
but even then business is down sharply as now its over supply vs under demand & not enough space to store E5 so only option they have is put the max price on it (they are allowed an 8% variance over Shell pricing).
E10 needs binning ASAP its caused so many problems & as motorists need to buy more it has absolutely ZERO positive effect on the climate
Now they are charging the highest possible price they can to recoup all the losses in Sept from panic buying disrupting the supply chain
but even then business is down sharply as now its over supply vs under demand & not enough space to store E5 so only option they have is put the max price on it (they are allowed an 8% variance over Shell pricing).E10 needs binning ASAP its caused so many problems & as motorists need to buy more it has absolutely ZERO positive effect on the climate
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Look at the value of sterling versus last time. Oil is sold in USD.
How much storage capacity do you think these forecourts have?!! You cannot turn E5 into E10 at the pump can you! unless your saying this is what they do pump extra ethanol into it on the fly which I find hard to believe they can do that without major changes behind the scenes.
My understanding is they have converted E5 pumps to E10 but using the underground storage tanks so less E5 capacity (which reduced the amount in the forecourt system).
What? E5 is already E10 compliant.
E10 is up to 10% ethanol. They were able to just start putting E10 fuel in the storage tanks they didn't need to run them dry first.
You've missed the bit that E10 has to be a minimum of E5.5.
Exactly this
And adding E10 to E5 will do that.
I'm quite surprised that the petroleum distribution industry has got this so wrong and hasn't saved us all a load of hassle by simply consulting robj20 first. Just think of the problems we could have avoided if we'd just listened to him.
No. Remember the E5 and E10 refers to the maximum ethanol content, but there's no guarantee that it will contain that much.
If you take a litre of E5, of which only 2.5% (25ml) is ethanol.
Add it to a litre of E10, of which 8% (80ml) is ethanol.
You now have 2 litres of fuel of which only 105ml is ethanol. That's less than the 5.5% minimum content (which would be 110ml). So you cant sell that mix as it won't be E10 compliant.
Initially I thought the same as you, and was confused why there was a need to run tanks dry before refilling with E10, but I'd never seen the requirement for it to have a minimum ethanol content, only a maximum. I am guessng there's no way to guarantee that the existing stocks of E5 in the tanks actually are a full 5% ethanol.
E5 was upto 5%, so it wasn't guaranteed that adding E10 to E5 would still meet the requirements of E10, I can definitely see a case for running the tanks right down before adding E10 to ensure they are still meeting the requirements of E10.
ethanols more expensive , per litre, but, not environmentally, so there must be some minimum, or, regulatory tolerance ? for the fuel companies to get their tax break
(if the petrol copanies reduced the cost difference between super and regular, as ethanols cost might indicate, and consequently sold less regular, would there be a tax penalty)
Do you really think they would dilute their most expensive premium fuel & charge less for it
No I think they'd dilute they're at the time cheapest fuel with their soon to be cheapest fuel.Do you really think they would dilute their most expensive premium fuel & charge less for it