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You bought a Vauxhall and expected it to be decent. That's your first mistake.

Secondly you bought a Vauxhall made in the last 5 years & that was your 2nd mistake.

Vauxhall is now owned by PSA (Citreon/Peugeot) and we all know how terrible they are with electrics....
 
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so you get 150 miles on 50kw only too, not exactly great.
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true the ipace that jonnycoupe has is about that........... but that is for a 400bhp equivalent 0-60 in 4.2 seconds large SUV(ish)..........
the mokka E ............. isnt!.... and the ipace has a better proportioned sized battery to go with its miles per kwh.
i admit the OPs experience is rubbish, but imo you should not blame the entire fuel type of a car based off 1 crap car.

the charging infrastrucure IS stupidly expensive and it sucks that so many chargers were out of action, that is not acceptable, no 2 ways about it, but the issue was avoidable, even tho it shouldnt need to be avoided ideally.

there are plenty of slippery EVs which go a lot further on 1 kwh if that is what you want.

but that said there is no denying the OPs situation was rubbish, they have my sympathies and i dread it happening..... but it is rare imo................. just like it sucked when my fiat coupe broke down on the motorway and i end up stuck at silly o clock in a service station for what turned out to be a stuffed radiator iirc.

fwiw i am not a car snob and as a 2nd car a 2nd hand mokka E would be a brilliant buy for us............. but for our long distance car, no chance.

PS i do love the 370z however so i cant fault the OPs taste too much ;)
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
Trick here is to charge on the way; especially if it was middle of the night, nothing worse than driving home after a flight and having to charge too.

Or take that 370Z, they are ideal for long journeys - yes? What will you do next time tells us how much Woe was really present.
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My 370z wasnt suitable for 2 large cases and 2 hand luggage cases and also an extra bag for my wifes medical supplies she needs for her health conditions.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
true the ipace that jonnycoupe has is about that........... but that is for a 400bhp equivalent 0-60 in 4.2 seconds large SUV(ish)..........
the mokka E ............. isnt!.... and the ipace has a better proportioned sized battery to go with its miles per kwh.
i admit the OPs experience is rubbish, but imo you should not blame the entire fuel type of a car based off 1 crap car.

the charging infrastrucure IS stupidly expensive and it sucks that so many chargers were out of action, that is not acceptable, no 2 ways about it, but the issue was avoidable, even tho it shouldnt need to be avoided ideally.

there are plenty of slippery EVs which go a lot further on 1 kwh if that is what you want.

but that said there is no denying the OPs situation was rubbish, they have my sympathies and i dread it happening..... but it is rare imo................. just like it sucked when my fiat coupe broke down on the motorway and i end up stuck at silly o clock in a service station for what turned out to be a stuffed radiator iirc.

fwiw i am not a car snob and as a 2nd car a 2nd hand mokka E would be a brilliant buy for us............. but for our long distance car, no chance.

PS i do love the 370z however so i cant fault the OPs taste too much ;)
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Thanks, its more than EV cars are meant to be the future of driving, yet they have so many negatives vs petrol cars, and I don't see these issues getting much better in years to come.
People are saying get a Tesla or whatever, yes we can do that, we can afford to do that.

However my wife is not a car enthusiast etc, and she doesnt want a Tesla or an "expensive" car, she just picked a car that is a nice size for her medical needs, she has not great mobility etc, and the nokka-e is a nice height and comfy for her needs. The car is ok for short journeys etc, but a standard mid range EV car is defo not useful for anybody wanting to do longer trips infrequently - there seems to be too amny comprimses for EV cars vs petrol cars currently unless you spend £60-£80k on an EV car.

The EV bridage will argue with me I'm sure.
 
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Not shocked that a poor vauxhall EV costs loads at an expensive public charger.

In other news, eating steak at a restaurant is more expensive than cooking one at home :p
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Gobsmacked that's what you got out of his whole post :)
Something tells me he already knows that.
 
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Thanks, its more than EV cars are meant to be the future of driving, yet they have so many negatives vs petrol cars, and I don't see these issues getting much better in years to come.
People are saying get a Tesla or whatever, yes fdwe can do that, we can afford to do that. However my wife is not a car enthusiast etc, and she doesnt want a Tesla or an "expensive" car, she just picked a car that is a nice size for her medical needs, she has not great mobility etc, and the nokka-e is a nice height and comfy for her needs. The car is ok for short journeys etc, but a standard mid range EV car is defo not useful for anybody wanting to do longer trips infrequently - there seems to be too amny comprimses for EV cars vs petrol cars currently unless you spend £60-£80k on an EV car.

The EV bridage will argue with me I'm sure.
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honestly for your use case perhaps a plug in hybrid would be a better fit for you (its not the way i would go personally but its a genuine option).

your day to day driving you will still be on home charged electricity most of the time, but then for the odd time you need to go further you have the back up of a petrol engine. The problem with plug in hybrids is they are less efficient when driving purely on petrol, but if you only do that for 10% of the miles it may still be worth considering next time you get a car.

(tho next time you get a car maybe a genuine 250mile range car will be there which is interesting to your wife)

BTW i know petrol cars lie about their mpg as well but the WLTP figure is very missleading if you do not know much beforehand.

imo ev database should be pushed a lot more to anyone who is thinking about buying an EV so they can get a more honest idea of worst case scenarios

ev-database.org

Vauxhall Mokka-e

All details and specs of the Vauxhall Mokka-e (2021-2024). Compare price, lease, real-world range and consumption of every electric vehicle.
ev-database.org ev-database.org

compare the above to what is a very similarly priced car at 1st glance (though 2nd hand you would be looking at the old shape but otherwise similar)

https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1666/Kia-Niro-EV
 
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Resident said:
You bought a Vauxhall and expected it to be decent. That's your first mistake.

Secondly you bought a Vauxhall made in the last 5 years & that was your 2nd mistake.

Vauxhall is now owned by PSA (Citreon/Peugeot) and we all know how terrible they are with electrics....
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Yep, I read Vauxhall and had a laugh
 
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So it's acceptable that the listed distance is out by almost 50% then? That is acceptable to you?
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WLTP gives a potentially real range but in a very specific scenario which is about as far away from winter motorway as you can get, and i agree in reality its nonsense. its only use is to compare directly to other cars, but its a fairytale range in the real world for the most part.

which is why everyone needs to use the ev database, which unless we get some brutal beast from the east weather is actually a little pessimistic IME - which is exactly how i want it to be. that way i can plan for a certain range on a journey but if i get more i am happy..
 
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Whilst EVs are still closer to 'early adopter' technology than they are mainstream, I think there needs to be a little bit of expectation that you may have to plan your way around things a bit more.

Surely there are more charging options in and around an airport like Heathrow than 1 charger you had to wait 90 minutes for - it's clearly not as seamless a process as visiting one of an abundance of fuel forecourts but I don't think it's quite that bad generally either.
 
The problem is that EV owners seem to justify their purchases to the extreme, when in reality there are too many comprimises vs an good old petrol car.

Yes, EV cars have some benefits, but the negatives are more impactful than the benefits overall for a main-stay use for vehicles in general. (excluding EV cars that are £80k+ which of course have less of the negatives - but thats a different topic)

I'm talking about sub £30k new petrol cars vs sub £30k new EV cars.
 
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We've got a Corsa e with the same battery and presumably very similar architecture and it does seem to be poor in cold-ish weather.

At 3c, climate set at 20c, heated steering wheel and heated seats on medium, I probably average 2.7m/kWh at 65mph on the motorway.

It does seem to improve quite a lot above 10c, where the same journey would get more like 3.4m/khw.

We did drive down to Somerset a few times last year when it was around 20c and we averaged over 4m/kWh at 65mph. That would be more like 165 miles range.

They don't seem particularly efficient for long journeys.

Carwow have done a few tests where they drive the cars until they died, with 90% motorway journey. This was around 16c tempts on an average UK day.

I can't find a mokka e test but the Corsa did 174 miles, Peugeot e 208 did 161 miles. For comparison, the Model 3 SR did 270 miles and the Renault Zoe did 229 miles.
 
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