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Ace Modder said:
@Maccy why did you start an argument with me claiming my OP has no basic of any point.

Yet Feek joins in and states that an opinion is in line with mine and you give it a thumbs up. Talk about bum-licking.
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I didn’t start an argument with you?! Merely commenting that I didn’t (and still don’t) see the point of the thread when we already have an all encompassing EV thread which covers this topic.

And I agree with Feek because his comments are valid - range anxiety is one of the biggest issues and reasons why I won’t go EV yet, despite almost putting one through the business. To suggest I’m “bum licking” is ridiculous.

You should’ve taken your 370Z and not had to worry about range.
 
China released 11.4 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions in 2022.

More than two centuries ago, the United Kingdom become the first country in the world to industrialize. Since then, it has released more than 78 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide (CO₂) into the atmosphere

So when China actually gives a damn about their output I will care, until then nope, do not care. China release one seventh of what the UK produces with all co2 emissions not just cars in its 200+ year history - all in 1 year for China.
 
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Ace Modder said:
this is interesting because I didn't know these numbers previosuly, however what about when the long term goal is to turn all cars into EV, the grid as it is cannot cope with the that level of charging cars on a nightly cycle. I wonder hoe much more power will have to be generated from "dirty" means vs now which for argument sake, pulling a random number could be 25% is clean energy, as the demand sky rockets the clean energy production I think could lower down to maybe 5% when we need more power overall from the grid, then how will it affect the grid emissions numbers?
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My bold. This is another myth that needs to die. The National Grid have said on many occasions they can handle cars charging overnight. Not every single car will need charging every single night. Average users probably need to charge 2-3x a month! Right now, they have too much energy overnight which is why there are some very compelling time-of-use tariffs for EV owners. You're also discounting all future growth into renewables. Almost all new power sources are renewables (and soon more nuclear). The grid is constantly getting cleaner and cleaner every year, and general electricity demand has been falling every year since 2005 (linky link).


Your other post about how your contribution doesn't matter is a little dishearteningly selfish. I don't expect you (or anyone for that matter) to be a crusader in being greener, but to not care is a little unfair on future generations.
 
Maccy said:
I didn’t start an argument with you?! Merely commenting that I didn’t (and still don’t) see the point of the thread when we already have an all encompassing EV thread which covers this topic.

And I agree with Feek because his comments are valid - range anxiety is one of the biggest issues and reasons why I won’t go EV yet, despite almost putting one through the business. To suggest I’m “bum licking” is ridiculous.

You should’ve taken your 370Z and not had to worry about range.
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This is part of your problem, you are not reading the whole thread, because I have stated already that was not an option due to our luggage and the small capacity in a 2 seater sports car. This is why your opinions about me and my posts are null and void. I bid you a good evening Maccy.
 
Ace Modder said:
China released 11.4 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions in 2022.

More than two centuries ago, the United Kingdom become the first country in the world to industrialize. Since then, it has released more than 78 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide (CO₂) into the atmosphere

So when China actually gives a damn about their output I will care, until then nope, do not care. China release one seventh of what the UK produces with all co2 emissions not just cars in its 200+ year history - all in 1 year for China.
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Thats not really how that works and it’s no surprise that a country with a population which is order of magnitude larger than our own has absolute emissions higher than your own.

China’s CO2 emissions per person are about half the UKs and they are the world’s factory.

Imagine how high our emissions per person would be if you accounted for all the CO2 released on everything we import.

Think about it.
 
squerble said:
Your other post about how your contribution doesn't matter is a little dishearteningly selfish. I don't expect you (or anyone for that matter) to be a crusader in being greener, but to not care is a little unfair on future generations.
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I have stated that it's not really about not caring, it's more than what can 1 or 100,000 people to do change things via a car choice in the UK?

I posted about China's manufacturing pollution and that is something that is far more damaging than the total UK car pollution ever is or has been to date, so until China and other big energing places with mega co2 emissions do something about what they output I really don't think my little car will do diddly-squat. That is a harsh truth, but a truth that is something to consider.
 
Ace Modder said:
I posted about China's manufacturing pollution and that is something that is far more damaging than the total UK car pollution ever is or has been to date, so until China and other big energing places with mega co2 emissions do something about what they output I really don't think my little car will do diddly-squat. That is a harsh truth, but a truth that is something to consider.
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That harsh truth is what I posted in response above ;)
 
Ace Modder said:
China released 11.4 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions in 2022.

More than two centuries ago, the United Kingdom become the first country in the world to industrialize. Since then, it has released more than 78 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide (CO₂) into the atmosphere

So when China actually gives a damn about their output I will care, until then nope, do not care. China release one seventh of what the UK produces with all co2 emissions not just cars in its 200+ year history - all in 1 year for China.
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It’s making stuff for us and we didn’t have a monopoly on industrial revolutions. What a Daily Mail view of the world you have.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Thats not really how that works and it’s no surprise that a country with a population which is order of magnitude larger than our own has absolute emissions higher than your own.

China’s CO2 emissions per person are about half the UKs and they are the world’s factory.

Imagine how high our emissions per person would be if you accounted for all the CO2 released on everything we import.

Think about it.
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but net output of co2 globally is all that matters. 100,000 EV cars in the UK is merely a tiny droplet of water in the ocean and doesn't make a blind bit of difference, that's my point.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
It’s making stuff for us and we didn’t have a monopoly on industrial revolutions. What a Daily Mail view of the world you have.
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So what you are saying is everybody in the motors forum who drives a performance car that is petrol is a heathen and a Daily Mail reader/writer? Come off it, you seriously expect that I take your comments serious now. Anybody who drives a high emissions car should stop and consider the environment according to your idealogy then which is insane.
 
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Why is it insane? If everyone had your mentality of “someone else’s problem” then nothing would ever get changed.

It’s quite possible to reduce your overall carbon footprint whilst still enjoying a weekend car for example.

And yes, it’s blatantly obvious we should all take a step back and consider the environment, regardless of if you drive a high powered car or not.
 
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paradigm said:
Why is it insane? If everyone had your mentality of “someone else’s problem” then nothing would ever get changed.

It’s quite possible to reduce your overall carbon footprint whilst still enjoying a weekend car for example.

And yes, it’s blatantly obvious we should all take a step back and consider the environment, regardless of if you drive a high powered car or not.
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But thats what I'm trying to say, 98% of people seem to not care about the "problem" as you call it. Especially people in this motors section of the forum. I can list off a list of people easily who all have numerous cars in their garage which are far more "damaging" with their co2 levels even above my car. The problem is apparent that too many people just don't care vs the minority of people who do care enough to be a Greta.

Honestly I'm being a sheep and following the 98% of what I see which is people who just don't care enough to change their own ways. I've already said it's a selfish mentality and I have said I don't care because the other sheep also do not care either. It is what it is.
 
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Think you have chosen the wrong cars really. Long range ice with 2 seats and short range run around for airport runs
 
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Ace Modder said:
but net output of co2 globally is all that matters. 100,000 EV cars in the UK is merely a tiny droplet of water in the ocean and doesn't make a blind bit of difference, that's my point.
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Yes, it is global CO2 emissions that matter but not countries that emit CO2, its people, that is the key point you are missing in your 'yeh but China' harsh truth.

You can not get on your high horse and tell a Chinese person to reduce their emissions when yours is twice theirs, it really is that simple.

PS - China installing more renewables than the UK and has a higher penetration of electric vehicles (31% vs 17% in the UK) and have entire cities the size of London running on electric public transport (including all 16,000 buses are fully electric vs about 900 or 12% of London buses).
 
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Can I advise you learn how to do basic research before you or your wife buy your next car. Wouldn’t want you buying a reliant robin only to find out it only has three wheels. Try even the most rudimentary of google searches next time.

“How far will a Mokka-E go in winter” would have saved you a lot of crap.
 
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