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Feek said:
All these people saying about planning.

This is the huge problem with battery cars compared to real ones. With a real car, you can get in and go anywhere, knowing that if you’re getting low on fuel, you’ll always be able to fill up somewhere nearby.

It’s such a huge step backwards to have to plan your stops and then could turn up and find you have to wait ages to charge. I don’t know how anyone can think this is a good thing but I’m sure some people will try and twist it.
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The difference for most early adopters is the addition of home charging.

So whilst long trips might require planning, most normal distance driving is completed without ever worrying about having to find even a few minutes to stop and 'fill up'. The need to plan things is an occasional issue and not entirely dissimilar to the way I might currently plan a long trip by checking in advance which services I might want to stop at for a toilet break.

I think even the most hardened of EV evangelists will accept that the infrastructure is not big enough yet to suit people without home or work based charging facilities in a completely hassle free way.

The infrastructure will improve over time and these things will become easier and require less advanced planning but nobody is paying to build infrastructure now that won't be used for another 10 years.
 
SDK^ said:
No tailpipe emissions is a major benefit !
Pretty sure if the petrol/diesel tailpipe fumes were piped into the the owners cabin as they drove around, then people would soon be switching to EV's :D [But they are happy/worry free to allow other people to breathe them in)
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This is a big plus for me. I do a lot of short journeys so my current ICE will be emitting far more CO2 than the book figure, all past houses and local shops etc. Very much looking forward to not having tailpipe emissions again!

Before the "but the grid still emits CO2" brigade comes in:
  • Average car in the UK emits 160gCO2/km.
  • Average grid emissions is 220g/kWh
  • Average EV economy is 5.44km/kWh

...so 220/5.44 is 40gCO2/km for EVs, on average. If the grid is a lot cleaner, such as the current forecast of 82g/kWh on Saturday, that comes down to 15gCO2/km, less than a tenth of the emissions of an average ICE car.

As you can imagine, this figure actually becomes even more exaggerated comparing town driving, where ICE will be less efficient (pumping out more CO2) and EVs shine - I regularly saw over 4.5mi/kWh (sometimes even over 5) when my driving was focussed around town. Use that figure, and an average grid day means CO2 emissions of 30gCO2/km, or just over 11gCO2/km on a better grid day.
 
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squerble said:
This is a big plus for me. I do a lot of short journeys so my current ICE will be emitting far more CO2 than the book figure, all past houses and local shops etc. Very much looking forward to not having tailpipe emissions again!

Before the "but the grid still emits CO2" brigade comes in:
  • Average car in the UK emits 160gCO2/km.
  • Average grid emissions is 220g/kWh
  • Average EV economy is 5.44km/kWh

...so 220/5.44 is 40gCO2/km for EVs, on average. If the grid is a lot cleaner, such as the current forecast of 82g/kWh on Saturday, that comes down to 15gCO2/km, less than a tenth of the emissions of an average ICE car.
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So you like my big 3.7litre v6 dinosaur juice burning engine in my 370z then, right? ;)
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
Up until last Friday I had zero interest in EVs until the other mistitled thread about EV Road Tax :)
I had no idea that it was commonly known and all 4 people in my house now didn't know it was 'commonly known'.
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But if you were going to spend £30k on one you'd do some research, wouldn't you?

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If my eBike batteries say 30 miles and they do 15 I have a problem,
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Does it do 30 miles up hill on max throttle at -10c?

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if my phone says 24 hours and it does 12 I have a problem
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Does it last 24 hours with screen on playing a power intensive game?

SexyGreyFox said:
So I certainly didn't know if an EV says 200 and it does 100 was going to be an issue.
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Anyone who has ever driven an ICE should know that how you drive has a significant effect on fuel economy, to think that doesn't also apply to EVs is just ridiculous
 
squerble said:
  • Average car in the UK emits 160gCO2/km.
  • Average grid emissions is 220g/kWh
  • Average EV economy is 5.44km/kWh
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this is interesting because I didn't know these numbers previosuly, however what about when the long term goal is to turn all cars into EV, the grid as it is cannot cope with the that level of charging cars on a nightly cycle. I wonder hoe much more power will have to be generated from "dirty" means vs now which for argument sake, pulling a random number could be 25% is clean energy, as the demand sky rockets the clean energy production I think could lower down to maybe 5% when we need more power overall from the grid, then how will it affect the grid emissions numbers?
 
Feek said:
All these people saying about planning.

This is the huge problem with battery cars compared to real ones. With a real car, you can get in and go anywhere, knowing that if you’re getting low on fuel, you’ll always be able to fill up somewhere nearby.

It’s such a huge step backwards to have to plan your stops and then could turn up and find you have to wait ages to charge. I don’t know how anyone can think this is a good thing but I’m sure some people will try and twist it.
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Yeah stay neutral and be the voice of logic by using the term “real cars”

Credibility. Zero.
Experience. Clearly zero.
Value added. zero
 
squerble said:
Your book figure is 245gCO2/km though, so on an average day you're putting out over 6 times as much CO2 as the average EV :D
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Would you say it's bad that I actually do not care about the level of pollution my car outputs. I know its harmless for the environment, but the way I see it is one person or even just 100,000 people in the UK switching to EV cars (im sure soembody said it was around 60,000 cars currently that are EV in the UK in this thread) vs petrol or diesel will not make any real meaningful impact. I enjoy my car, and the enjoyment of driving a 370z outweighs for me personally the effect on the planet because alone or even just 100,000 people won't make any real change/impact.

It is a selfish way to look at it? Probs yes, but do I care? Not really.

only way my opinion will change is if 50% of the population swap, and that ain't happening any time soon, we are not even at 5% now.
 
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Ace Modder said:
Would you say it's bad that I actually do not care about the level of pollution my car outputs. I know its harmless for the environment, but the way I see it is one person or even just 100,000 people in the UK switching to EV cars (im sure soembody said it was around 60,000 cars currently that are EV in the UK in this thread) vs petrol or diesel will not make any real meaningful impact. I enjoy my car, and the enjoyment of driving a 370z outweighs for me personally the effect on the planet because alone or even just 100,000 people won't make any real change/impact.

It is a selfish way to look at it? Probs yes, but do I care? Not really.

only way my opinion will change is if 50% of the population swap, and that ain't happening any time soon, we are not even at 5% now.
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Hi Jack, are you okay?
 
Ace Modder said:
Would you say it's bad that I actually do not care about the level of pollution my car outputs. I know its harmless for the environment, but the way I see it is one person or even just 100,000 people in the UK switching to EV cars (im sure soembody said it was around 60,000 cars currently that are EV in the UK in this thread) vs petrol or diesel will not make any real meaningful impact. I enjoy my car, and the enjoyment of driving a 370z outweighs for me personally the effect on the planet because alone or even just 100,000 people won't make any real change/impact.

It is a selfish way to look at it? Probs yes, but do I care? Not really.

only way my opinion will change is if 50% of the population swap, and that ain't happening any time soon, we are not even at 5% now.
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Tesla sold 36k model Ys here last year alone.

There are 1 million EVs on the roads of the U.K. already.

The grid will be fine, it’s sized for peak dinner time demand which peaked back in 2005 and has been shrinking since.
 
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Ace Modder said:
OK, the numbers I don't know, but for every EV car I see on the road Im see 50 petrol/diesel cars. So my point is still valid. The impact for the cars now is not enough to make any meaningful change.p
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There are circa 30 million cars on the road (that the authorities know of!) so that adds up.
 
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