Fury - Wilder thread

BaZ87 · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:14

Merlin5 said:
I get all that regarding the scoring, but imo, boxing is about being to knock someone to the canvas if not knocked completely out, and that's what Wilder did and Fury didn't.

I'm not sure you do get it. If you don't actually knock somebody out then all you can do is go to the scorecards and acknowledge the knock down on the scorecards, which they do by giving you a 10-8 round.

Ayahuasca said:
On another note that was likely the best heavyweight fight in the past 10 years, hopefully it keeps up.

Based on skill or entertainment? Wilder-Ortiz, Joshua-Wlad and Whyte-Chisora were all more entertaining for me.

NiCkNaMe · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:14

Merlin5 said:
I get all that regarding the scoring, but imo, boxing is about being to knock someone to the canvas if not knocked completely out, and that's what Wilder did and Fury didn't.

It's quite clearly not, otherwise there wouldn't be a points system

Also if it was just about KO's then you'd just get two guys windmilling

omnomnom · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:15

Merlin5 said:
Call me ignorant, but whether Wilder got schooled or not, he's the one that put Fury to the canvas not once but twice, and fury didn't get close to putting Wilder down. How does that not make Wilder the winner, or, the better fighter?

It isn't judged on knockdowns.

hanluc · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:16

Bizarre how 3 judges watching the same fight can score it so differently.
Brilliant fight though, Fury's gone right up in my estimations.

BaZ87 · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:17

Malt_Vinegar said:
You really need to watch the fight. Wilder got lucky. Luck is part of it, it always is, but he was out-classed by a boxer who has come back from near oblivion and lost 10 stone, with only 2 (VERY easy) tune ups under his belt.

A rematch is a total gamble for Wilder. It has to be in the UK, and I have Wilder losing against a prime Fury.

Can't see it happening in the UK. Fury is still the challenger so unless there's much more money in the fight in the UK then why would Wilder come here? And fwiw, there's more money in the US.

Malt_Vinegar · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:20

BaZ87 said:
Can't see it happening in the UK. Fury is still the challenger so unless there's much more money in the fight in the UK then why would Wilder come here? And fwiw, there's more money in the US.

You don't think the rematch would fill a big arena in the UK? This was an 18k arena in the US? It was a $75 dollar ppv vs £20. Would there not be more ppv income from the US over arena tickets?

NiCkNaMe · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:21

Who was the lad with the 70k bet? Ben Davison?

Ayahuasca · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:22

NiCkNaMe said:
Who was the lad with the 70k bet? Ben Davison?

Billy Joe Saunders

NiCkNaMe · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:28

Ahh, cheers .Wondered if that was why Ben looked so devestated. Although more to do with 12 months effort for a draw d imagine

omnomnom · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:28

The 115-111 judge gave Wilder the opening 4 rounds.

Just wow.

G-MAN2004 · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:29

Corruption aside, how the hell Fury got up after that brutal knockdown in the 12th is beyond me. No wobbly legs or anything. Then went and put his hands behind his back again

Guy is a freak of nature.

rubberduck · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:33

Not sure what you guys were watching but had Wilder winning that one. Draw is ok result from scorecards.

Regy53 · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:33

The 10 count in the 12th round was rather slow

I think if you watch it’s about 11/12 seconds

NiCkNaMe · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:38

So basically if that Rochin judge hadn't made a mess of the first four rounds, Fury would have won?

He also would have won without the KD in the 12th, even though Rochin seemed to have tuned into another fight?

Just unbelievable

BaZ87 · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:39

Malt_Vinegar said:
You don't think the rematch would fill a big arena in the UK? This was an 18k arena in the US? It was a $75 dollar ppv vs £20. Would there not be more ppv income from the US over arena tickets?

Oh it would sell out a stadium over here now, no doubt but relatively speaking the difference in revenue from tickets won't be much. 80k at Wembley might bring in £8m but 20k in Vegas with much higher average ticket prices is probably bringing in not much less.

The killer is the PPV income though. I'm not sure whether they hit the 1m US PPV target for this fight but they shouldn't have a problem doing so for a rematch and even after taking the broadcasters cut, you're probably looking at north of £30m in revenue. If that fight happens in the UK then US PPV probably drops 75%. UK PPV just isn't worth as much - I have no idea what BT will have done tonight but peak Joshua on a much more established platform in UK fights is doing around 1-1.2m PPV buys or approx £10-15m once Sky take their cut.

omnomnom · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:40

rubberduck said:
Not sure what you guys were watching but had Wilder winning that one. Draw is ok result from scorecards.

Based on what? Wilder had the two knockdowns but not a lot else. Certainly not 114-111

Locky · 2 Dec 2018 at 06:44

The judges bank accounts and their families bank accounts need checking for dodgy payments.

stockhausen · 2 Dec 2018 at 07:28

FIX - What would you expect?

Next episode coming in 2019, etc., etc.

Jimbeam3678 · 2 Dec 2018 at 08:09

Not his biggest fan by any stench but this is pretty awesome

https://twitter.com/btsportboxing/status/1069129550905442305?s=21

esoteric · 2 Dec 2018 at 08:37

Great way to start the day, waking up to another big boxing fight with a dodgy scorecard. Not seen the fight but what I've gathered from various outlets is that Tyson made Deontay look like an amateur and the only notable offence from Deontay was 2 knockdowns.

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