Fury X Vs Titan X - Performance compared

[Kaapstad]

Thanks. I am hoping Windows 10 will give some boosts but truthfully, I am underwhelmed by the card overall and performance isn't as good as I was hoping. AMD needed a card to bring them back to the forefront and it just hasn't happened and I am quite gutted. I really wanted them to give Nvidia a good kicking this time but it just didn't happen.

I think 1080p performance with these cards will always be average because of the way HBM works.

Having said that AMD don't seem to have got the full potential out of the cards yet at higher resolutions. Leaving out possible architecture improvements the Fury X is not punching it's weight compared to a 290X yet, I think this is something that will improve in the next couple of months with better drivers.

Think positive Tahiti was not optimised in a day.

 

[Martini1991]

Thanks. I am hoping Windows 10 will give some boosts but truthfully, I am underwhelmed by the card overall and performance isn't as good as I was hoping. AMD needed a card to bring them back to the forefront and it just hasn't happened and I am quite gutted. I really wanted them to give Nvidia a good kicking this time but it just didn't happen.

It performs exactly as expected.
~980Ti performance. Except at a price premium it's trying to justify due to its overall package.

The Fury Pro is looking like a poorly priced product too.

People like me on 290X's/290's have no real AMD upgrade for the same money we spent on the 290/290x launch.

First time I've missed an AMD GPU launch from the top tier.

 

[dessimpson]

The only thing you can compare them on is the price. The fury X is about 70 -80% of the price of a Titan X so if it's getting over 70 - 80% of the performance then surely that's not a bad thing?

 

[Martini1991]

The only thing you can compare them on is the price. The fury X is about 70 -80% of the price of a Titan X so if it's getting over 70 - 80% of the performance then surely that's not a bad thing?

Should compare it to the 980Ti, which is going to be pretty much exactly the same story, except the 980Ti's cheaper and faster.

If Nvidia had no other product that was faster than the Fury, then fair enough (Even though I have nothing but disdain for the Titan X's price point, and feel those who buy the product are doing damage to other consumers)

 

[uksoldierboy]

I'm of the same opinion as Greg, it's by no means a poor card, it's fantastic, but better than the 980ti/Titan x?.... No chance.

I'm going to hold on to mine until windows 10 lands and we can see performance across the board with unlocked voltage, new drivers, then there's no where to hide, no excuses.

 

[D.P.]

The only thing you can compare them on is the price. The fury X is about 70 -80% of the price of a Titan X so if it's getting over 70 - 80% of the performance then surely that's not a bad thing?

The TitanX also has 3X the Vram so it is hardly a fair comparison.
You should compare to 980Ti, 50% more Vram, faster, cheaper.

Comparing performance per watt may not matter much to consumer but if you wanted to compare architectural efficiency and future products then it is worth considering. but you have to make adjustments for,e.g. the lower power composition of HBM and the lower electron leakage of the cooler AIO card.

 

[elmarko]

That is what I meant.

I've seen this several times now where an AMD fanboy tries to justify the Fury/X by claiming at equal clock speeds the FuryX is faster, utterly meaningless. How about comparing performance at equal power consumption!

Or just price per £££, which the 980ti wins hands down at the moment.

So far there is little to make us think the Fury X will win with unlocked voltage, then you need to compare against unlocked voltage, 90% of very high performance 980ti's do not have voltage unlocked, you can overclock with stock volts.

 

[Gregster]

Or just price per £££, which the 980ti wins hands down at the moment.

So far there is little to make us think the Fury X will win with unlocked voltage, then you need to compare against unlocked voltage, 90% of very high performance 980ti's do not have voltage unlocked, you can overclock with stock volts.

I never touched the voltage on the Titan X and with my TX boosting to ~1330Mhz without touching anything, even when the Fury X is at its maximum stable overclocks, it can't beat the stock clocks of the Titan X. The 980Ti is just as fast as the TX from what I am seeing and reading, so it really does look like the 980Ti is the better choice.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I never touched the voltage on the Titan X and with my TX boosting to ~1330Mhz without touching anything, even when the Fury X is at its maximum stable overclocks, it can't beat the stock clocks of the Titan X. The 980Ti is just as fast as the TX from what I am seeing and reading, so it really does look like the 980Ti is the better choice.

Windows 10 and voltage control will most likely answer all questions. While the fury X is a decent card so far i am underwhelmed big style by what i am seeing. If windows 10 and drivers don't change things then at the very top AMD have lost another round until the Fury X dual card arrives.

 

[pgi947]

I don't get why so many are getting hung up on the ifs buts and maybes of the fury x being magically transformed by volts/win10/drivers/other.

Yes it's marginally slower then gm200, and costs marginally more then a Ti, I think amd have done well to stay competitive, while they're competitive they're keeping the market moving.

They've given us a glimpse of what hbm can do, they've finally improved stock cooling even if it is with an aio, at least they haven't recycled the 5870 cooler again, small steps forward, but it is forward.

Think of the positives already laid on the table rather than the maybes, as some of the comments in this sub are comical.

 

[mmj_uk]

I'm not sure why people think that AMD will gain some massive advantage in Windows 10 that NVidia won't, Mantle gave AMD most if not all of the benefits of DX12 and in reality it was still barely any faster in games than NVidia was in DX11.

Even if AMD can render a zillion more draw calls than NVidia it's NVidia who are actively working with developers so most games are going to be made to their strengths, not AMD's. Unless AMD have a change in policy.

 

[Gregster]

Spot on Paul.

 

[fs123]

Apart from power efficiency I can't really see what HBM has over DDR5. It may have huge bandwidth but until some games need it, it's simply wasted. AMD needs to improve core architecture performance or clock speeds, not just keep increasing bandwidth.

 

[pgi947]

But you could argue it's the power headroom amd saved by going with hbm that allowed them to have a competitive core.

 

[Gregster]

Apart from power efficiency I can't really see what HBM has over DDR5. It may have huge bandwidth but until some games need it, it's simply wasted. AMD needs to improve core architecture performance or clock speeds, not just keep increasing bandwidth.

Whilst I agree in part, the benefit of super fast memory starts to show when the resolution is upped and if you had a chip twice as fast as say the 'Titan X', you would want some super fast memory to not hold the core back when using a 4K/UHD monitor and this is where HBM will really start to shine.

I don't feel the Fury X is really warranted for HBM but with the Fury X2 coming, it could well help shift that along, albeit it is a dual core card.

 

[UTmaniac]

I'm not sure why people think that AMD will gain some massive advantage in Windows 10 that NVidia won't, Mantle gave AMD most if not all of the benefits of DX12 and in reality it was still barely any faster in games than NVidia was in DX11.

Even if AMD can render a zillion more draw calls than NVidia it's NVidia who are actively working with developers so most games are going to be made to their strengths, not AMD's. Unless AMD have a change in policy.

It will be interesting to see what benchmarks throw up once the masses take up their offer of a free Windows 10 upgrade.

On Windows 8.1, the chances of an Nvidia graphics card being hampered by the cpu is relatively small. The odds of an AMD graphics card being hampered by the cpu is relatively high.

I don't imagine the overall advantage is going to change like a light switch from Nvidia to AMD, but I think the gap is going to reduce by a significant amount.

Take the ancient pc in my sig, it has had a new lease of life since I started using Windows 10 preview from build 10074, for the few games I play (mostly driving games/sims) I've seen some incredible framerate improvements.
It took pCARS from being barely playable on low settings while hotlapping or racing online, to being able to run med-ultra settings while hotlapping/online or low settings against 20 AI (AI racing was simply not possible in Windows 8.1, not enough cpu power) with extra fps as well!

Don't get me wrong, I still intend to upgrade this summer to either Skylake or X99, but I am a lot more confident that this machine will be capable of keeping my better half happy while playing Sims4; Civ Beyond Earth etc.

 

[shankly1985]

I'm not sure why people think that AMD will gain some massive advantage in Windows 10 that NVidia won't, Mantle gave AMD most if not all of the benefits of DX12 and in reality it was still barely any faster in games than NVidia was in DX11.

Even if AMD can render a zillion more draw calls than NVidia it's NVidia who are actively working with developers so most games are going to be made to their strengths, not AMD's. Unless AMD have a change in policy.

Yeah because clearly amd don't work with any devs. They loads top games coming out that amd is working alongside..
In fact first directx 12 game is an AMD title.

I see again you compare the performance of Mantle against dx11 without thinking of what the low level API main feature advantages are..

The sooner everyone stops looking at each API based on frame rate the better for us all.

Frame latency matters much more.

 

[Mauller]

Cant wait for DX12 + Async shaders in 'Deus ex:MAnkind divided' and 'Ashes of the singularity.'

 

[Dicehunter]

Cant wait for DX12 + Async shaders in 'Deus ex:MAnkind divided' and 'Ashes of the singularity.'

I'm actually really looking forward to seeing what DX12 can do for AMD

 

[DarrenM343]

I'm actually really looking forward to seeing what DX12 can do for AMD

Would be good to see what AMD can do for AMD. Someone has mentioned future drivers sorting things out but really after all this time getting the new product to market the drivers are yet again way behind.

I personally fail to see why someone would buy this product unless a, they just hate Nvidia, or b, they just like to try different technology so see what's what