Future of Olympic Stadium

People seem to keep talking about relegation and how many fans they'd get in the championship, its laughable, theres essentially no question that if they are relegated they'd be up within a season, 2 at most. Also, they won't be in the stadium till 2014, they are in a "troubled" period which came about 90% due to injurys and not much else, pre injuries almost the same squad finished WELL into the top half of the table, they've still got several long term injuries, Collison was epic in Zola's first season.

Basically championship talk is rubbish, straw man arguments, even if they went down this season they'd be back up WELL before they were due to move into the stadium.

Also, people tend to forget one glaringly obvious thing, West Ham has one of the biggest area's inside the stands as it is, the newest stand is about eleventy billion miles away from the pitch anyway.

As said, though I'm taking it at face value as a fact, when I haven't got proof of it, its said that the furthest seat at the OS stadium under West Ham's plans would be closer than Wembley's furthest seats, and hell, has anyone been to the top tier of the Nou Camp, lol, complaining about the ability to fill a stadium or see the football, sorry, its rubbish, complete rubbish. You think the person right at the back of a 80k seater Spurs stadium won't have the same view as the West Ham fan, you're talking out your backside.

Currently, sitting bottom, West Ham's season average seems to be around 33.5k, with most games being between 32.5 and 34.5k, quite funny that West ham vs Arsenal was one of the lowest at about 32.5k, some fans expected a bad day me thinks.

They have expensive tickets, cheaper tickets will fill more seats, as with most bigger stadiums, the further away the seats, the furthest back will be cheaper, and you'd expect a price drop on the closest seats aswell, they'll quite easily be able to increase capacity, their financial clout will increase quite dramatically aswell which will likely lead to increased buying power and quality in the squad.

This is all ignoring the fact, again, that there were VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA for getting the stadium.

Just because it won't be the single best football stadium in the world ever, doesn't make it a bad plan.

West Ham's plan = 3 happy clubs, 3 new stadiums, many many sports having improved facilities AND London can compete on an international level for athletics events. Would a 60k seater stadium when going for other international athletics competitions be improved, or worsened by moving to a 25k seater stadium that wouldn't be ready for many many years........

Spurs plan ONLY helped Spurs, did waste a LOT of money and a lot of time, and screws over everyone including their own fans, it was daft from the get go, I don't begrudge them trying, saving 100-200mil on improved stations, predone foundations and tarting up the area, who wouldn't want to save that, but its still a bad plan for London, the taxpayer, all the clubs in the area, the fans, athletics fans, etc, etc.
 
LOL @ Sugar and Hearn having a good ole moan about the olympic stadium going to West Ham on SSN...
 
People seem to keep talking about relegation and how many fans they'd get in the championship, its laughable, theres essentially no question that if they are relegated they'd be up within a season, 2 at most

i question it, sure a lot of other football followers would too
 
From a football perspective this was a mind bogglingly stupid decision. No offence to hammers fans but West Ham probably won't be able to fill the stadium, and they could get relegated this season so that won't help. On top of that, we all know that running tracks ruin the atmosphere at matches.

This decision was made by the olympic committee with athletics in mind. The truth is that athletics doesn't have anywhere near the mass appeal of football, so this decision should have first and foremost been made from a football perspective.
 
City regularly don't fill their leased government-built ground, does that mean they don't 'deserve' it?

As said time and again, there's more to getting the ground than just selling X amount of tickets.
 
I think the deal that city have with the council is that they have to give 50% of all gates over the capacity of old maine road.

Even though Plaistow/East Ham is a bit of a rubbish area, I'm sure the Upton Park site would be worth a few bob to developers as well.

The problem is, an athletics track will mess up the atmosphere.
 
some stadiums have seat sections that can roll onto the track and be pushed back when they need the track.

im sure west ham will make some changes to the seating ???

still i'm pleased west ham got it.
 
i question it, sure a lot of other football followers would too


Out of 19 seasons so far, West Ham have been in the league for 16 of them, 10th highest in the current league. There are loads of teams that have been in for 1-4 seasons, who tend to not bounce right back.

Theres stadium size, money, revenue, fan backing(their first season after relegation last time, they only lost a few thousand fans, the second wasn't as pretty but still much more than several other premier league teams), youth setups, size of club, ability to use reserve/youth players to get promoted again. While you're never to big to go down, its rare that you're not too big to stay down.



From a football perspective this was a mind bogglingly stupid decision. No offence to hammers fans but West Ham probably won't be able to fill the stadium, and they could get relegated this season so that won't help. On top of that, we all know that running tracks ruin the atmosphere at matches.

This decision was made by the olympic committee with athletics in mind. The truth is that athletics doesn't have anywhere near the mass appeal of football, so this decision should have first and foremost been made from a football perspective.

No, this is not a football stadium, the first and foremost decision has NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL, why are people so utterly obtuse to this fact. Its an olympic athletics stadium thats being auctioned off to the best group that will continue to run it as an athletics stadium that can be used for other things aswell. I really can't see where this is difficult to comprehend, football is NOT the primary concern and running tracks are used at many of the worlds biggest football stadiums.

This stadium was built for athletics, and England promised the public, the taxpayer and the world it would continue to be a leading athletics stadium for the foreseeable future, this is the primary goal of whoever takes over the venue. Considering Spurs can build a trackless stadium anywhere they damn well want to, and previously had plans for such a stadium, its utterly utterly ridiculous to knock down a stadium to build a new one.

The primary concern for watching football is theres some grass, and theres seats....... theres absolutely nothing in the bid that suggests it will be a rubbish football stadium if you are 3metres further away from the pitch than you would be at, the Emirates. Is the Emirates rubbish because the furthest seat is miles back compared to Griffin Park?

Can you hold matches, play matches, watch matches in a stadium with a running track, yes, end of, theres no other answer here thats it. You can see the pitch from every seat at every angle, how many stadiums have been built, great stadiums, Highbury, where that wasn't true? Chelsea, Fulham, Highbury are just a few of the stadiums I've been where many seats had a dodgey view, Nou Camp, its still a fantastic experience watching from the nose bleed seats.

Wembley has notoriously sucked, both stadiums, for distance from the pitch, but all games ever held there sucked balls right?

Its a stadium, you can play football, people can see the football, every other argument is ridiculous. There can be better stadiums, they'd also cost more and require knocking the entire stadium down, thats better?

some stadiums have seat sections that can roll onto the track and be pushed back when they need the track.

im sure west ham will make some changes to the seating ???

still i'm pleased west ham got it.

I believe you basically need to take that into account in the early planning stages, it has to be a key idea very early on to work, I think it also ends up dramatically increasing the cost as you have to build in a retraction system so the rest of the stadium has to be much higher, or, well, its expensive.
 
He clearly doesn't understand that more seats = cheaper prices. If that's the case, and tickets are cheap, we will easily fill the stadium. The reason for our poor attendances is that £40 to see the team at the bottom of the table is too much for some.

A season ticket at Fulham is £250 a year and they still don't fill the stadium. That's West Ham's future.
 
Can you hold matches, play matches, watch matches in a stadium with a running track, yes, end of, theres no other answer here thats it. You can see the pitch from every seat at every angle, how many stadiums have been built, great stadiums, Highbury, where that wasn't true? Chelsea, Fulham, Highbury are just a few of the stadiums I've been where many seats had a dodgey view, Nou Camp, its still a fantastic experience watching from the nose bleed seats.

Wembley has notoriously sucked, both stadiums, for distance from the pitch, but all games ever held there sucked balls right?

Its a stadium, you can play football, people can see the football, every other argument is ridiculous. There can be better stadiums, they'd also cost more and require knocking the entire stadium down, thats better?

I totally disagree. I support Spurs so I'm obviously not going along to games because all I care about is winning. I had great fun when Spurs got tonked 4-1 by Arsenal in the Carling Cup earlier this season. Why? Because of the atmosphere.

People can watch football on TV, with a perfect view of the action and a cold beer in their hand. What's important when going to a live game is the atmosphere. You can only get that in a well-designed, purpose built ground.

Ask a Juventus fan what they think about running tracks. 90% of the people who use the new stadium (football fans or otherwise) will be unhappy with the experience.

Remember that even Spurs' plan was a zero landfill rebuild. None of the materials would have gone to waste.
 
Theres stadium size, money, revenue, fan backing(their first season after relegation last time, they only lost a few thousand fans, the second wasn't as pretty but still much more than several other premier league teams), youth setups, size of club, ability to use reserve/youth players to get promoted again. While you're never to big to go down, its rare that you're not too big to stay down.
Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Sheffield Wednesday
Sheffield United
Southampton

To name but a few.
 
Weather the decision is right or wrong I'm getting sick a tired of all the winging from spurs. It was never going to be easy for the OPLC to see their practically brand new stadium flattened and spurs knew it all along. The OPLC wanted to keep the running track, spurs didn't. It was a non-starter. Why don't they just move on a find another site.
Harry Redknapp said:
"As a person who knows what West Ham fans are like, not many places could beat Upton Park on a good day when the crowd were in full flow singing Bubbles and swaying as they used to back in the old days.
Really, I've been to upton park. It's a **** hole.
 
It was never going to be easy for the OPLC to see their practically brand new stadium flattened and spurs knew it all along.

The running track was just an excuse imo, this was always the reason why West Ham's bid was going to win.

In times like this, how can you justify to the man on the street that spending £550m+ of tax payers money on a stadium only for it to be demolished so that a Premier League club has a cheap site to build their stadium on.

edit: and on the West Ham bid; as I've said before, I don't think either side should be allowed to play in the stadium but some of the comments about West Ham's bid are massively ott. The idea of a running track is **** I know, but it's not the end of the world; I can't recall too many people complaining about it at the old Wembley. As for not being able to fill the ground; although I fully expect them not to sell out, I'm sure they'll average over 40,000 with ticket prices likely to be slashed.
 
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It was a good decision for athletics but I don't see what Hammers fans have to be cheerful about, they're going to need to fill it every week to create a half decent atmosphere and the view will still be crap.

It may be a good move for West Ham United from a business point of view but they didn't have the football supporters best interests in mind unlike Spurs.
 
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Out of 19 seasons so far, West Ham have been in the league for 16 of them, 10th highest in the current league. There are loads of teams that have been in for 1-4 seasons, who tend to not bounce right back.

Hello Nottingham forest fans, is this you he is forgetting about?

last figures I can find show west Ham is 100 million pound in debt, 80% of its turnover is wages and year on year losses in the tens of millions of pounds.

If they get the stadium the have to increase overal revenue by at least 30% or reduce the wage bill to a manageble amount.

The figures are something like turnover of 71 odd million, losses of 37 odd million.


So either high prices and no fans, or low prices and crap players, west ham fans, the choice is yours.

Last club to be in this position, hello leeds united fans.
 
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Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Sheffield Wednesday
Sheffield United
Southampton

To name but a few.

Exactly these clubs I would imagine at the time they went down had as big and in Forest case bigger fan base than what West Ham currently have. If West Ham go down this season and don't manage to get promotion the next year, more than likely they will stay down for quite a few years. You could add so many more clubs to that list that once down stay down.

Who have West Ham bought through the youth ranks which have gone on to great things and commanded a good price? Cant think of anyone since the likes of Rio, Carrick and Joe Cole. West Ham have traditionally produced some very good players, and since they are a selling club have gained much financially from it, but it appears it is no longer the case any more. And with the lack of youth players coming through and the inevitable sale of the likes of Parker, I could see them staying down but with a 60k stadium to fill. Even if they give away tickets not many would want to watch Doncaster vs West Ham.
 
To get some non-******ed discussion going:

People seem to be nit-picking DM's reasons for West Ham to not go down rather than actually pointing out what is inherent about West Ham that they should go down. All he said is that they wouldn't be likely to be relegated and not come back up - do people think that it is likely? If so, why (rather than just saying it happened before... well, duh)?

And why would not filling a 60,000 capacity stadium be detrimental to West Ham financially? Assuming they get the same amount of spectators that would've went to Upton Park, there is no difference in gate receipts as there is no overhead on a per-seat basis.
 
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