FYI - Vista RTM now on MSDN

Stelly said:
Nope... but you will not recieve any new Operating Systems after a year... so say you have 2007 server and your subscription runs out in 2007 you will not be able to get 2008 server

Licence is ok no matter what...

Stelly
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That's all good, except there won't be a 2008 server, the next release after 2007 will be a couple of years afterwards, so getting a years subscription when each windows generation is released would probably be a good way to save money.
 
VeNT said:
how does this relate to retail PCs, ie I assume you can't go installing MSDN licenced software on PCs you intend to sell.
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correct only licenced to yourself... no financial gain allowed :)

Stelly
 
Phnom_Penh said:
That's all good, except there won't be a 2008 server, the next release after 2007 will be a couple of years afterwards, so getting a years subscription when each windows generation is released would probably be a good way to save money.
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Yer that was just an example :p

Stelly
 
Stelly said:
Every Operating system (server or workstation) for a whole year...

I think that one means that you get a cd through the post, but if you go through Ms then you can download them online

Stelly
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I think people need to be very careful what they say here. MSDN subscription products are intended for developers. More specifically, as far as I'm aware, they're for developers to test their products on - and as such, the operating systems are licensed for development use only, not for production use. Microsoft's definition of "production use" specifically includes home use, playing games, producing documents of pretty much any sort, and so on. Even organisations with MSDN subscriptions end up buying additional licenses for machines not directly involved in software development.

Essentially, most home users getting windows from a corperate MSDN license will be breaking the terms of the license agreement. So, legally speaking, you're no better off than if you didn't pay anything at all for a pirated version. I don't quite see the point in paying hundreds of pounds on something that works and is a "bargain" but isn't properly licensed.
 
re: PinkPig's post.. I have a MSDN Universal license through work but I use the keys on my home machines as I do work at home part of the time, specifically work related stuff. As far as I'm aware there are no restrictions on the physical location for using the keys/software :)
 
Yep but almost everything is not licensed, as an example if you are using a PC with msdn windows and visual studio for testing and development, you are not licensed to send any form of email from your computer as this is a normal business task etc. It'd only be allowed as say part of an automated system your testing to a test email account.

Any gameplay, general internet browsing and email sending or std office tasks are not licensed ;) Not even sure if your allowed to use chat clients like messenger.
 
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DanF said:
Yep but almost everything is not licensed, as an example if you are using a PC with msdn windows and visual studio for testing and development, you are not licensed to send any form of email from your computer as this is a normal business task etc. It'd only be allowed as say part of an automated system your testing to a test email account etc.

Any gameplay, general internet browsing and email sending or std office tasks are not licensed ;) Not even sure if your allowed to use chat clients like messenger etc.
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Hmm, you sure? Why then can I download a copy of Outlook from my MSDN subscription? I just double-checked the MSDN site:
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. General. One user may install and use copies of the software to
design, develop, test and demonstrate your programs. Testing does not
include staging on a server in a production environment, such as loading
content prior to production use.
b. Included Microsoft Programs. These license terms apply to all
Microsoft programs included with the software. If the license terms with
any of those programs give you other rights that do not expressly
conflict with these license terms, you also have those rights.
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By these lines I read it as being able to install an OS, along with any relevant MS software in order to test/develop and this is what I do ay home.
i. Desktop Applications. For each license you acquire, the licensed
user may also install and use one copy of Microsoft Office
Professional on one device for any purpose. The user may also
install and use one copy of InfoPath, OneNote, Visio Standard,
Project Standard, and FrontPage on one device for general purposes
related to the design, development, testing and demonstration of
your programs. The Desktop Applications section of these product
use rights applies to the licensed user’s use of this software.
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I also have one copy of MS Office installed, and am allowed to use it for any purpose.

At least, I think that's how it should be read :p
 
riddlermarc said:
By these lines I read it as being able to install an OS, along with any relevant MS software in order to test/develop and this is what I do ay home
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Is that genuinely the only thing you do at home? If you're browsing these forums at home, then clearly not.
 
Yep as said before so for testing, development and demonstration ONLY, nothing else (apart from the office get out clause I missed before :p). Pretty restrictive really if you follow it to the letter (but who does tehe).
 
Slightly off topic but i have had an unofficial chat about Vista and the MS Action Pack subscription and it would appear that Vista will be in the January update. Subscribe now and you get XP Pro straight away and Vista in Jan
Brian
 
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