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i'm not say ing this is true, but, if i where a beting man i wood bet that this is a forum member who wants keep there anominity.
Gang of 12 'allegedly' rape British Citizen in Cyprus
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Wait so you decided to represent yourself even after it was decided it would go to trial? Are you serious? There is a reason why judges don't like people representing themselves and its because the layman knows nothing about the law and it is a recipe for disaster. You could have got legal advice/representation for free and yet you chose to walk into a court and represent yourself. Hmm not sure I'd be handing out 10/10 to you for smarts.
I do wonder if what VincentHanna said is bang on. Your very first post is in this thread and your chosen screen name is Innocent Bloke.
I have friends who have been raped. I know/have known several others that have been sexually assaulted. Only 1 of those made it to court and that one did get a conviction. I know the other rape victims were raped because I witnessed the devastating effects it had on them directly after and still has to this day. The rape conviction rates stinks. Yes convictions should only happen when the evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt but there are men walking the streets who are rapists and sexual assaulters. I'm glad you were acquitted if you were innocent but the benefit of the doubt is always given to the accused, doesn't mean everyone accused, charged or who goes to trial who isn't convicted is innocent and so the accuser is guilty of making a false allegation does it?
dont think the footage actually have released to the public domain ever. it was within whatsapp chat group and the police seized all phones and deleted the video.
the video could be used to defend the girl. who knows
edit: if the video did released to the public domain. it would have been buried down to dark web as there were kids involved.
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I was very surprised that people here have admitted looking for the video, one or two claiming to have found it and using the tabloid excuse of a right to know, public interest etc.
Sickening in my opinion.
Stop projecting and use your brain. She was found guilty of false accusation and if there was any sort of evidence that a minor was involved she would have been found guilty of statutory rape of a minor as the law dictates underage people can never consent. How many times does it have to be stressed out that not all 12 guys were involved? Only a few of them. The 12 number was part of her made up story and one of the reasons it fell apart as a few of them had strong alibis that they were not even present in the incident. Also no DNA was found of anyone that she did not consent to. I know some of you want to believe her so bad but there is zero evidence to her claim.
Her evidence was some bogus british psychologist and a language professor. Why would the judge waste his time with such nonsense when irrefutable evidence exists? I do hope the Israelis take her to court like they promised. Some men are so indoctrinated they will never accept that she lied. The scary part of the of this story is the kind of outrage a young female liar that was found guilty in court can instigate. Scary world for men these days.
Where is this information? What about the 3 who initially denied any contact and then had their DNA found on/in her?
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Ridiculous. She’s found guilty, yet retains her anonymity. The guys who are found innocent are plastered all over the front pages. She’s British, so she must be innocent, obviously. If this was a guy he would be absolutely vilified. It sounds very much like all parties are somewhat guilty, but I doubt we’ll ever truly know. This girl will likely make a fortune out of this, the book will be on its way soon. Then she’ll be on love island.
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That never happened. What they did find and mentioned in the greek press release was DNA from three extra people unrelated to the group of the Israelis or the incident. They were never named as they are irrelevant to the story. Yeah thats the kind of slug that people donated thousands to.
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You do know that wearing a condom means no sperm to get dna from, right? Also from what I read, 3 of the suspects dna was found, also 3 who were not of the 12, maybe the were unknown to her who joined in, or maybe they were other guys who she had consensual sex with, idk.
What about doctor Sergios Sergio? The one who reported the incident to the police in the first place?
What is this evidence and why is it irrefutable?
Edit:You do realise I'm not saying anyone involved is guilty or innocent? What I'm saying is something does not seem right?
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Alibis, mobile phone evidence, medical evidence, police report, her statement etc. Look I do not have access to the investigation neither was I present in court so I can't answer every single question you might have. I can only comment on things that the british tabloids conveniently leave out.
People talk about corruption in Cyprus but they fail to understand that is regarding bribing to skip bureaucracy, evading taxes etc. When it comes to cases like this, countries like Cyprus and Greece are far better than the UK as it doesn't take much for the people to revolt contrary to the apathetic british population (assange torturing, robinson jailed etc).
If police and a court system that is known to favour women at any given opportunity found her guilty you can safely rest assured that she is.
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I know several people who have successfully defended themselves or brought complex cases against large organizations, and some are not professional people and probably cannot spell that well. My best pal brought a case against BT last year, one which a barrister said was doomed to failure. He took the time to research his case in depth, found various pieces of information in the public domain which made his case sound and he was awarded substantial damages and costs by BT. The judge was sniffy about him representing himself but could not refute his claim against BT. A barrister would possibly not want to spend the time researching such a case in such depth. Had he lost he may have had to pay substantial costs, but at least by representing himself they would not have included huge legal fees to his own barrister. It's often the simplest things that win cases, poor paperwork from the prosecution, untimely presentation of evidence, blah blah. Just look at Nick Freeman's successes in high profile motoring cases Nick freely admits he's no genius, just that he is painstaking and often the prosecution are unbelievably sloppy, slow and arrogant in their approach.
The British legal system is still one to be admired across the globe, and even if deemed risky your option to defend yourself, or bring a case against someone else is there and frequently equal to achieving the same end result of a barrister representing you at far less cost, unless you can seek legal aid. I can think of few cases where your inability to spell everything totally correctly will go against you badly. Hell I know solicitors and barristers who are, frankly, sloppy, idle and a disgrace to their profession and a liability to their clients. Solicitors are sued for negligence daily. No one is likely to input as much time and thought to their defense as an innocent accused them self... Innocent bloke, congratulations, you did well! I am watching Harvey Weinstein's case with interest, I suspect he'll walk. But I doubt he'll be defending himself leaning upon his new Zimmer frame
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WTF! So you are saying the Cyprus and Greek legal systems are superior because they take into account public opinion?? The last thing that should be taken into consideration is public opinion in legal/justice matters. Robinson was in jail because he broke the law (again) Assange was arrested because he spent years evading the law by hiding in a foreign embassy and when they booted him out he taken into custody, in time the justice system will deal with his case. I can't imagine anything worse than a society where public opinion sways prosecution outcomes. I don't think you've thought through the consequences of that at all. Or you have but imagine the cases will always swing in your political direction. If thats the case you are naive in the extreme.
Where do you get the opinion from that the police and court system in Cyprus is known to favour women from?
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I know several people who have successfully defended themselves or brought complex cases against large organizations, and some are not professional people and probably cannot spell that well. My best pal brought a case against BT last year, one which a barrister said was doomed to failure. He took the time to research his case in depth, found various pieces of information in the public domain which made his case sound and he was awarded substantial damages and costs by BT. The judge was sniffy about him representing himself but could not refute his claim against BT. A barrister would possibly not want to spend the time researching such a case in such depth. Had he lost he may have had to pay substantial costs, but at least by representing himself they would not have included huge legal fees to his own barrister. It's often the simplest things that win cases, poor paperwork from the prosecution, untimely presentation of evidence, blah blah. Just look at Nick Freeman's successes in high profile motoring cases Nick freely admits he's no genius, just that he is painstaking and often the prosecution are unbelievably sloppy, slow and arrogant in their approach.
The British legal system is still one to be admired across the globe, and even if deemed risky your option to defend yourself, or bring a case against someone else is there and frequently equal to achieving the same end result of a barrister representing you at far less cost, unless you can seek legal aid. I can think of few cases where your inability to spell everything totally correctly will go against you badly. Hell I know solicitors and barristers who are, frankly, sloppy, idle and a disgrace to their profession and a liability to their clients. Solicitors are sued for negligence daily. No one is likely to input as much time and thought to their defense as an innocent accused them self... Innocent bloke, congratulations, you did well! I am watching Harvey Weinstein's case with interest, I suspect he'll walk. But I doubt he'll be defending himself leaning upon his new Zimmer frame
There is a very big difference in representing yourself in a civil case where at worst its going to cost you a lot of money and a criminal case where you are facing losing your liberty and carrying a conviction for life. No one cares if you lose a civil case (well financial institutions might) being a convicted rapist or even just a fraudster can carry serious consequences for the rest of your life.
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The UK legal system certainly favor women, in divorce cases for example, I am sure some here will cite examples...
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It must be a nice situation to be in where losing a shed load of money in a civil case has no impact on the rest of your life! Losing a shed load of money certainly appears to get most people's full attention. It does mine.
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The UK legal system certainly favor women, in divorce cases for example, I am sure some here will cite examples...
Divorce is a civil matter not a criminal one. The conviction rates and even just cases taken to trial in rape/sexual assault that are reported to police would seem to say the exact opposite.
Calm down colonel whiteknight. All I meant is that no legal system is perfect and any system will occasionally abuse its power as its run by people and not robots. A population that is more ready to stand up against that serves as a deterrent. Similarly to how some immoral people don't break the law only because police will bust them up.
UK might be the top for tabloid fake outrage though. It was simply relentless and you just saw how their outrage reduced the sentence of a criminal, you're not against that?
anyone else hear the greek holiday rep lady on lbc this morning that said they dont usually bother reporting rape over there because its too much trouble. bit of an eye opener.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/why-women-greek-islands-dont-report-rape/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/why-women-greek-islands-dont-report-rape/