Gary Mugson Sacked

Red Porsche said:
I disagree! :) Hes kept bolton up twice, got them into the last 16 of the uefa cup and signed some good players. I admit his tactics were sometimes a little defensive and didnt play the best looking football but it was effective and he could have done a much worse job :). Dont you think he did well with the fans and all?
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As has been said, once it starts going sour for him, he's a dead man walking, every manager has highs and lows, Megsons lows are never ending once they start.

Oh and last 16 of the Uefa cup, what giants of world football did he topple to get them there?
 
atpbx said:
As has been said, once it starts going sour for him, he's a dead man walking, every manager has highs and lows, Megsons lows are never ending once they start.

Oh and last 16 of the Uefa cup, what giants of world football did he topple to get them there?
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Teams that wre much better than bolton. Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid. Ribery was still there too.
 
Red Porsche said:
Teams that wre much better than bolton. Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid. Ribery was still there too.
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I know who they beat to get there, its a rhetorical question, they answer is sides that were exceedingly poor that season.

Ipswich beat Inter Milan under George Burley a few seasons ago, whats George Burley doing these days?

This is the same argument that goes "Wigan beat Chelsea, Wigan are a better team than chelsea"

In which case the argument FOR him is

"So he's a good manager then, why has he got the sack?"

Answers on a postcard.
 
Never did work out what he'd done to deserve a Premier League job, but his sacking won't change anything. Bolton are unlikely to find someone with the same magic touch that Allardyce had there, and I'd expect them to go down either this season or next.
 
Burnley look a better bet to stay up to be honest, no idea why you'd leave a setup you like after being seemingly handed the chance at a far higher profile job earlier in the season, to go to a club looking like going down. Bolton just suck, Burnley are good at home with a small midseason performance blip in the past month, which with a small squad and heavy schedual over xmas isn't surprising.


Megson wasn't remotely bad though, a club saddled with a massive wage bill with aging players who all retired/left for nothing that Alladyce had bought in, little to no money for replacements, high wage bill, drained of resources over several years of truly stupid wages. Thats what happens when you buy a bunch of high wage biggish name people like Campo, transfer fee might not be high, but big wages cost an extra couple mill a year over a cheaper younger player, who you can also sell on to recoup money or even make a profit.

Burnley have better players and a better chance to stay up, he'd be mad to leave.
 
Weebull said:
From one struggling, not exactly rich Lancashire club to another. :confused:
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He may look at it as being able to improve his personal situation by taking the Bolton job on. The pay increase is likely to be considerable.

Especially if he feels he may get sacked if Burnley get relegated at the end of the season.

I personally feel Burnley's home form is more likely to see them stay up than Bolton.
 
As a Rovers fan, anything that damages Burnley is fine by me. Coyle's a good manager and has brought them a lot of success, something I think he can repeat at Bolton. I still think they made the wrong decision hiring Megson but this one seems to be a bit more informed, it'll be interesting to see how he handles the players at the Reebok. I'm just glad Sparky isn't going there, I don't think we'd hear the end of it.


drunkenmaster said:
Megson wasn't remotely bad though, a club saddled with a massive wage bill with aging players who all retired/left for nothing that Alladyce had bought in, little to no money for replacements, high wage bill, drained of resources over several years of truly stupid wages. Thats what happens when you buy a bunch of high wage biggish name people like Campo, transfer fee might not be high, but big wages cost an extra couple mill a year over a cheaper younger player, who you can also sell on to recoup money or even make a profit.
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You do that and you go the way Blackburn are at the minute. If you use your club as a stepping stone you're going to go nowhere, small clubs can't afford to pinch promising youngsters from home and abroad so they have to make do with their academies. Bolton's idea was simple, big name signings that can improve the team will be paid for by higher league positions and attendances. It worked, the problem was that when Allardyce left they made two big errors; They appointed Sammy Lee and Gary Megson. Rather than keep trying to push the club forwards they tried to be modest and the (lack of) risk blew up in their faces.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Burnley look a better bet to stay up to be honest, no idea why you'd leave a setup you like after being seemingly handed the chance at a far higher profile job earlier in the season, to go to a club looking like going down. Bolton just suck, Burnley are good at home with a small midseason performance blip in the past month, which with a small squad and heavy schedual over xmas isn't surprising.

Burnley have better players and a better chance to stay up, he'd be mad to leave.
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Agree with you there. Strange move, a sideways step at best. What does he achieve from it? If Burnley stay up he's a hero, done an amazing job. If Bolton stay up.... well... meh.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Megson wasn't remotely bad though, a club saddled with a massive wage bill with aging players who all retired/left for nothing that Alladyce had bought in, little to no money for replacements, high wage bill, drained of resources over several years of truly stupid wages.
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Megson signed plenty of players, for a fair bit of money. I know it's your favourite pastime to be contrary and tell us all how bad managers are actually the result of previous managers who we stupidly think are good for getting decent results (see Mourinho, Jose), but you really are grasping here. Elmander for ten million, Muamba for five, ****tu, Ricketts, Robinson, Taylor, all in. Plenty of players out. According to Soccerbase, which is being nice enough not to assign any prices to the players he bought over last summer, he's spent more than he's received, so if the replacements aren't as good as those who left, then it's not Allardyce's fault, it's Megson's bad eye for talent.
 
Gilly said:
He may look at it as being able to improve his personal situation by taking the Bolton job on. The pay increase is likely to be considerable.

Especially if he feels he may get sacked if Burnley get relegated at the end of the season.

I personally feel Burnley's home form is more likely to see them stay up than Bolton.
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I suppose he could have looked at Hull last season and seen that early form isn't necessarily any guarantee of regular results when the confidence starts to tumble. At the moment Burnley do look slightly better off, but there's very little in it, and maybe Bolton have some slightly better players at their disposal.

And yeah, I bet it pays better too. ;)
 
Gilly said:
He may look at it as being able to improve his personal situation by taking the Bolton job on. The pay increase is likely to be considerable.

Especially if he feels he may get sacked if Burnley get relegated at the end of the season.
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I doubt he'd be kept on if Bolton went down though - which IMO is more likely.

I personally feel Burnley's home form is more likely to see them stay up than Bolton.
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Yep.

Odd move to me if he does go for it. More money maybe, but it seems to be a worse job. :confused:
 
Tute said:
Odd move to me if he does go for it. More money maybe, but it seems to be a worse job. :confused:
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How is it a worse job? Bolton are in a far better position than Burnley to survive.

The owner has money should he choose to invest it (Bolton owners always have a tendency to take out far more than they put in). Bolton have been here before and know how to survive, whether you choose to believe it or not, Bolton are an established premiership side. We also have a better squad in terms of quality - just needs Coyle to put their confidence back on track.

People who are saying its a bad move due to Boltons style of play just need to look at the man we just fired off for that problem, Coyle will look at having them play a more attacking, flowing style - something the players will be able to adapt to, we just need another CB and creative midfielder or 2 in january to give us some depth and extra options.
 
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