*** GB News *** (stay on topic!)

[Caracus2k]

Curious as to why you'd watch a guy's segments that are supposedly "news", when Fox themselves have come out that nobody in their right mind would ever believe anything Tucker would say because it's entertainment, not news.

If you read the legal arguments and judgement relevant to this matter the position essentially is that Carlson's show is a opinion section to be differentiated from a news segment.

McDougal v. Fox News Network, LLC, No. 1:2019cv11161 - Document 39 (S.D.N.Y. 2020)

Court Description: OPINION AND ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO DISMISS re: 28 MOTION to Dismiss the Amended Complaint (DE-27) filed by Fox News Network, LLC. Plaintiff Karen McDougal claims to have been defamed by accusations of "extortion&q uot; leveled at her by Tucker Carlson on Defendant Fox News Network's broadcast. However, as described herein, Ms. McDougal has not offered a plausible interpretation that the statements Mr. Carlson made, when read in context, are statemen ts of fact. The Court concludes that the statements are rhetorical hyperbole and opinion commentary intended to frame a political debate, and, as such, are not actionable as defamation. In addition, as a public figure, Ms. McDougal must raise a plausible inference of actual malice to sustain her defamation claim. She has failed to do so. The Amended Complaint offers only conclusory allegations about Mr. Carlson's alleged biases and otherwise pursues theories that are pre-empte d by long-standing precedent. For these reasons, Defendant Fox News's Motion to Dismiss the Amended Complaint [ECF #28] is GRANTED. The Clerk of Court respectfully is requested to close the case. (Signed by Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil on 9/23/2020) (mro) Transmission to Orders and Judgments Clerk for processing.

Papers and 'news' shows, of all types, frequently include such opinion pieces.

 

[tokabi]

If GB News has some Andrew Neil content similar to his output when he was with the BBC I imagine I may want to watch that to.

Early days yet, but it's disappointing GB News haven't found time in the schedule for a rip-off of This Week, even just the Neil, Portillo and Alan Johnson/Liz Kendall discussions.

 

[GGizmo]

None of that is true in the way you are implying.

They havent tried a new format, they have just done it badly. Thats not a good on them moment.

They have tried a new format. I agree its not going as well as it could do because of a combination of technical issues and the presenters getting used to the new format.

There are many news channels. This is actually worse than the old Iranian TV (?) that so many complained about Corbyn being on, until it was pointed out that more Tories had been on than Labour.

They got pulled off air for insulting the Royal Family. I used to watch it too. It was only good because it give us a different point of view, similarly to how RT News channel does too, as well as Euro News, France 24, Al Jazeera etc. I watch all these news channels.

Someone said the Tory MP will like this. Of course they will, because they will be able to lie their arses off without being questioned about those lies.

There is nothing to stop left leaning people contributing to the shows. I'm sure they would love a chance to debate left leaning people.

 

[Tony Edwards]

TThere is nothing to stop left leaning people contributing to the shows. I'm sure they would love a chance to debate left leaning people.

Im not being funny but Daily Politics is bad enough for Labour supporting people and that has some sort of pretend non bias. Some one mentioned one of the Corona pro lockdown guys got shouted down like it was a GD thread about Islam.

Good luck to any Labour MP that goes on there unless it will be one that says Labour are too woke and have gone too far left. Any left leaning person is going to get slaughtered by people complaining about taking the knee or them 'trans'.

Also this isnt a middle ground politics show no matter what anyone claims. This is a right leaning conspiracy propaganda show. Which is fine, but lets not pretend otherwise.

 

[sigma]

I wonder how this ‘unbiased’ channel will impact society. More division and hatred or less?

 

[stockhausen]

They have tried a new format. . . .

Serious question, what exactly is this "new format" of news presentation being delivered by GB News

. . . . RT News channel does too, as well as Euro News, France 24, Al Jazeera, etc. I watch all these news channels. . . . .

You must have an awful lot of spare time on your hands

 

[sigma]

I wonder how this ‘unbiased’ channel will impact society. More division and hatred or less?

And will ocuk forums partner/sponsor it?

 

[thenewoc]

Im not being funny but Daily Politics is bad enough for Labour supporting people and that has some sort of pretend non bias. Some one mentioned one of the Corona pro lockdown guys got shouted down like it was a GD thread about Islam.

Good luck to any Labour MP that goes on there unless it will be one that says Labour are too woke and have gone too far left. Any left leaning person is going to get slaughtered by people complaining about taking the knee or them 'trans'.

Also this isnt a middle ground politics show no matter what anyone claims. This is a right leaning conspiracy propaganda show. Which is fine, but lets not pretend otherwise.

That doesn't really matter because the lefty falsehoods will be exposed whether they're there or not. Secondly those that are watching GB News aren't being brain washed by the left leaning BBC. So it wins on these two points alone. Other matters such as illegal immigration and their levels that are not something the BBC want to expose or not in any in depth analysis way will not be swept under the carpet hopefully on GB News.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I wonder how this ‘unbiased’ channel will impact society. More division and hatred or less?

Heh it will just make the already angry more angry.

 

[Tony Edwards]

That doesn't really matter because the lefty falsehoods will be exposed whether they're there or not. Secondly those that are watching GB News aren't being brain washed by the left leaning BBC. So it wins on these two points alone. Other matters such as illegal immigration and their levels that are not something the BBC want to expose or not in any in depth analysis way will not be swept under the carpet hopefully on GB News.

Conspiracy nuts just like I said.

Are you honestly saying that the BBC doesnt talk about the level of illegal immigration? Christ!

To me your sig sums up one of the target audience for GBN.

 

[sigma]

Heh it will just make the already angry more angry.

‘Finally, a news source I agree with’ - doesn’t seem to be an unbiased mindset.

Isn’t Reuters supposed to fulfill the unbiased’s needs?

Then again, how do you explain bias to a person who is already biased?

 

[GGizmo]

Serious question, what exactly is this "new format" of news presentation being delivered by GB News

The new format is more a conversational and interactive format, rather than a person sat at a desk reading news stories, which they tend to repeat every 15 minutes. I think its called a rolling news broadcast. It's been a failure. I doubt many people tune in to the BBC News channel for a long period of time. Mainly because its too repetative.

 

[sigma]

The new format is more a conversational and interactive format, rather than a person sat at a desk reading news stories, which they tend to repeat every 15 minutes. I think its called a rolling news broadcast. It's been a failure. I doubt many people tune in to the BBC News channel for a long period of time. Mainly because its too repetative.

Smells like opinions vs facts to me. I suppose they will be unbiased opinions at least.

 

[thenewoc]

Conspiracy nuts just like I said.

Are you honestly saying that the BBC doesnt talk about the level of illegal immigration? Christ!

To me your sig sums up one of the target audience for GBN.

The BBC is known to be a very woke organisation with a high level of left leaning employees. People have been seeking their news from elsewhere than the BBC long before this GB News channel came along for this reason. The world the BBC portrays is not real, it's through the eyes of the left so is left biased, lacking the full picture. Even if they report immigration issues as one example it doesn't mean they will give it as much air time as a non left biased channel. By that virtue they are deciding on the importance of such issue and thereby influencing their viewers to that level of priority too.

As someone born in England I see nothing wrong with a channel representing the majority of the nation.

 

[drnathan31]

That doesn't really matter because the lefty falsehoods will be exposed whether they're there or not. Secondly those that are watching GB News aren't being brain washed by the left leaning BBC. So it wins on these two points alone. Other matters such as illegal immigration and their levels that are not something the BBC want to expose or not in any in depth analysis way will not be swept under the carpet hopefully on GB News.

"left leaning BBC". Right, because that's why the BBC play up to the Conservative government. Forgot the current government was also left leaning.

 

[stockhausen]

Comment posted at 14:58
Still "invisible" at 18:09

Seriously, what IS the point

 

[thenewoc]

"left leaning BBC". Right, because that's why the BBC play up to the Conservative government. Forgot the current government was also left leaning.

I've not seen the BBC playing up to the government as you put it.

 

[GGizmo]

Im not being funny but Daily Politics is bad enough for Labour supporting people and that has some sort of pretend non bias. Some one mentioned one of the Corona pro lockdown guys got shouted down like it was a GD thread about Islam.

I think it depends. Some of the Labour representatives seem more about rhetoric and when they are asked to name specifics they back off and don't want to be questioned. I think Labour are too reactionary and this is why they are struggling to make their own case at the moment. Reactionary means complaining while not coming up with their own answers. So yes it would be awkward for people like that to go on to a debating news channel.

But it's important for me to say not all Labour, nor the left, are like that. Some do have positions they can defend. People don't have to agree at the end of a debate. It's more about representing a view.

Also this isnt a middle ground politics show no matter what anyone claims. This is a right leaning conspiracy propaganda show. Which is fine, but lets not pretend otherwise.

I think its a fair comment to say that this is a right leaning news channel. But as I said earlier there is nothing to stop left wing contributors going on to the channel, or calling in to their radio station when that starts up. I think its important that all views are represented, no matter the bias of the media channel.

Debate is about engagement. Not running off. I give credit to Benjamin Butterworth as a good example of a left wing debater who was on the launch night of the channel and fought his corner. He went up in my opinion when he did that.

 

[drnathan31]

I've not seen the BBC playing up to the government as you put it.

Think them not particularly holding the government to account wrt their absolute failings around border control allowing variants to run rampant (and subsequently delaying England's coming out of lockdown) has been pretty apparent.
Also seems you didn't see Jolyon Maugham on not terribly long ago explaining the GLP & Gove case outcome (where Gove was found to have acted unlawfully) but lo and behold, BBC presenters for whatever reason were defending Gove?

There's plenty of examples out there, although you seem to have a hate-boner for the BBC so maybe you've not seen it (or don't watch)

 

[omnomnom]

I've not seen the BBC playing up to the government as you put it.

The political editor is Laura Kuenssberg so youre either lying or dont watch / read the bbc.

This isn't just for you but why do people have an issue with being "woke"?