*** GB News *** (stay on topic!)

[thenewoc]

You have made no sense what so ever.

Perhaps you're just too far gone and lost to the left to see any other views.

 

[Greebo]

Had more viewers than BBC or Sky news last night.

Doesnt take a lot though does it? They had 164k viewers, mainly old white affluent men. Just shows even fewer people watch the main news on BBC and ITV anymore.

Plus its not a news program really. Its more of a "topic discussion" show so not sure they should be compared.

 

[mattyfez]

The whole left and right thing is an issue too... It's such a simple minded gross generalised view that doesn't add any value to anything.

For example, I belive we should have an army and a police force.
That's right wing authoritarian.

I also belive that we should go beyond the NHS as public funded service and have national utilities and trains.

That's left wing social.

I belive that people should be pretty much be able to do what they want as long as they don't harm others. That's more Liberal thinking.

So what am I?

 

[m4rmite]

The whole left and right thing is an issue too... It's such a simple minded gross generalised view that doesn't add any value to anything.

For example, I belive we should have an army and a police force.
That's right wing authoritarian.

I also belive that we should go beyond the NHS as public funded service and have national utilities and trains.

That's left wing social.

I belive that people should be pretty much be able to do what they want as long as they don't harm others. That's more Liberal thinking.

So what am I?

A labour politician

 

[JRS]

So what am I?

A Blairite. Or a Centrist. Or even just someone with a vague sense of social responsibility.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I keep seeing the word 'woke', literally see it everywhere.

Still no idea what it actually means.

Its the new "commie" 50-80s and then "mussie" 90-10s. Something for the right to make an enemy of. They always need an enemy and this one along with "cancel culture" is their latest.

 

[i-bert]

The whole left and right thing is an issue too... It's such a simple minded gross generalised view that doesn't add any value to anything.

For example, I belive we should have an army and a police force.
That's right wing authoritarian.

I also belive that we should go beyond the NHS as public funded service and have national utilities and trains.

That's left wing social.

I belive that people should be pretty much be able to do what they want as long as they don't harm others. That's more Liberal thinking.

So what am I?

Physical harm or offending people?

This is where it gets messy and it's a fine line between being liberal and a Nazi.

 

[dowie]

Seems like being "woke" is person2's judgement of person1 and then person2 hates person 1 because of person2's own labelling of person1. After all, do people go around calling themselves "woke"?

Yes, where do you think it came from in the first place?

It's perhaps lessened a bit because of some "woke" stuff being seen as rather cringe though.

You have made no sense what so ever.

It wasn't that hard to follow, he's essentially saying you don't need to oppose or talk about a thing all the time in order to be anti it, simply not promoting it goes a long way. Having people on this GB news channel who don't bow down to this ideology or play by the new rules will in itself rile people up a bit.

I still don't get what woke means or is all about!

It stems from "awake" or having been "awoken" and (at least in recent years) is a term used by people pushing (often illiberal) critical social justice viewpoints which tend to place emphasis on group identity, disparity of outcome (regardless of causality), "lived experiences" over empiricism etc... the phrase "stay woke" became popular and associated with BLM etc..

There is a similar term used by incels/manosphere types called being "red-pilled" which comes from the film the matrix.

In both cases, the terms are essentially conveying that once you're exposed to this particular ideology (whether it's incel manosphere stuff or critical social justice stuff) you're now more aware or have been awoken to how things really are... you're "woke" or you've "taken the red pill".

 

[200sols]

So what am I?

Your examples are a little basic, most people would agree with your stances on the police and NHS. Lets here your views on unchecked immigration, capital punishment and UBI before passing any real judgement.

 

[mattyfez]

Physical harm or offending people?

This is where it gets messy and it's a fine line between being liberal and a Nazi.

Well that's the crux.
I'm not going to die on any political hill.
As has been alluded to.. If you go too far left or right you end up coming full circle.

Basically my political beliefs are that any individual can do whatever they want, which is pretty much pure Liberalism.

With a big caviat that if it causes physical or financial harm to anyone else it should not be allowed, which is pretty much pure authoritarianism.

As to causing offence, that's very much a gray area as anyone can say they are offended by something.

 

[silvagti]

Physical harm or offending people?

This is where it gets messy and it's a fine line between being liberal and a Nazi.

I suppose I would say I've noticed there's a growing trend of people who consider themselves "left wing " but at the same time are incredibly authoritarian in their beliefs and feel government should have more power and influence over all aspects of people's lives than it currently does.

I guess that historically British "left wing" values would have gone hand in hand with the concept of liberalism and freedom of the individual but I feel that's no longer the case with many "left" leaning parties developing quite dictatorial policies.

I see many people pushing for "diversity" but the reality is that they're only in favour of promoting those with similar political viewpoints and are rather against "diversity of opinion"!

 

[mattyfez]

Your examples are a little basic, most people would agree with your stances on the police and NHS. Lets here your views on unchecked immigration, capital punishment and UBI before passing any real judgement.

UBI I think is an interesting experiment that warrants further investigation.

I am completely against capital punishment.

The immigration question is more nuanced if your talking about the UK. Nigel farrage would have you belive otherwise, but it was Theresa May as home sec. That decided the cost of policing uncontrolled immigration was more expensive than it was worth. I. E she didn't want the cost of tracing and kicking out 'wrong-uns' on her account.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I wonder how this ‘unbiased’ channel will impact society. More division and hatred or less?

Actually this is what I fear most about stuff like this channel and the rhetoric of the government, its supporters and those that say they have just had enough of this 'woke' crap.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...oris-johnson-race-adviser-tories-culture-wars

Boris Johnson’s former race adviser has warned of another Stephen Lawrence or Jo Cox tragedy if members of the government continue to inflame the culture wars gripping parts of the nation.

Speaking publicly for the first time since he resigned two months ago, Samuel Kasumu said he feared there were some in government pursuing a strategy of exploiting division for electoral gain that could result in severe consequences for the country.

“There are some people in the government who feel like the right way to win is to pick a fight on the culture war and to exploit division,” he told the Guardian in an interview. “I worry about that. It seems like people have very short memories, and they’ve already forgotten Jo Cox.”

The man who killed her, he believes, was potentially radicalised and worked into a “frenzy” by the culture war narratives in certain newspapers and pushed by media commentators.

“If I was going to go to William Hill today and place a bet on what the most likely option is, I’d probably say a Jo Cox, a Stephen Lawrence, a Windrush scandal is where we’re headed if you don’t find a way to overcome this cultural moment. I feel like the government must be the ones to try to help drive that change.”

Kasumu’s stark intervention follows the leaking of his resignation letter in February, which accused the Conservatives of pursuing a “politics steeped in division”. He was persuaded to remain in place by Nadhim Zahawi, the vaccines minister, to continue his work on overcoming hesitancy to the Covid-19 jab among certain communities.

The resignation named Kemi Badenoch, the equalities minister, and noted she may have broken the ministerial code when she accused a young, black journalist, Nadine White, then working for HuffPost, of “creepy and bizarre” behaviour in a Twitter thread for asking questions about a Covid vaccines video. The journalist received a torrent of abuse as a result, according to her employer, and led to an alert about the risk to media freedom being registered with the Council of Europe.

 

[robfosters]

Actually this is what I fear most about stuff like this channel and the rhetoric of the government, its supporters and those that say they have just had enough of this 'woke' crap.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...oris-johnson-race-adviser-tories-culture-wars

so you’ve basically got GB news already lined up for the blame after the next serious racist incident or murder.

 

[Dis86]

Not that I'm aware of, my perception is that it's a slurr coined by the hard of thinking to describe anyone that attempts to engage with sensible debate, for whatever reason.

So it's an easy pseudo-insult to fling about if they don't like what you say.

Wrong. Suggest you look up the origins of the term since it would appear you are the hard of thinking in this instance!

 

[arknor]

for a new news chan the youtube is terrible.
some of it sounds like it had the audio recorded on an 80s boombox, I've seen amateur streamers with better picture quality.

what little content there is... well it's mostly boring rubbish and hardly news.
I'd like a news channel that encourages viewers to form their own opinion rather being fed one like every other news media there is

 

[mattyfez]

also belive that we should go beyond the NHS as public

Wrong. Suggest you look up the origins of the term since it would appear you are the hard of thinking in this instance!

The wiki says:
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is a term that refers to awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice.

That lead me to a mirram link "social awareness".

Upon further investigation, it's an endearing term to be called woke. It means you have a concience and try to do the correct thing by others, man, plant or beast.

But somehow it has become an insult on face-ache and insta-spaz.

 

[robfosters]

for a new news chan the youtube is terrible.
some of it sounds like it had the audio recorded on an 80s boombox, I've seen amateur streamers with better picture quality.

what little content there is... well it's mostly boring rubbish and hardly news.
I'd like a news channel that encourages viewers to form their own opinion rather being fed one like every other news media there is

Forming your own opinion is what scares the left the most.

They think it’s much better for society if we’re told how to think by them.

 

[JRS]

I'd like a news channel that encourages viewers to form their own opinion rather being fed one like every other news media there is

You'll be waiting a bloody long time for a TV channel like that...

Forming your own opinion is what scares the left the most.

They think it’s much better for society if we’re told how to think by them.

You really do need to shuck that anti-'Left' paranoia rob...the stress over it will hurt you.

 

[Freefaller]

It stems from "awake" or having been "awoken" and (at least in recent years) is a term used by people pushing (often illiberal) critical social justice viewpoints which tend to place emphasis on group identity, disparity of outcome (regardless of causality), "lived experiences" over empiricism etc... the phrase "stay woke" became popular and associated with BLM etc..

There is a similar term used by incels/manosphere types called being "red-pilled" which comes from the film the matrix.

In both cases, the terms are essentially conveying that once you're exposed to this particular ideology (whether it's incel manosphere stuff or critical social justice stuff) you're now more aware or have been awoken to how things really are... you're "woke" or you've "taken the red pill".

Genuinely - thank you. I've heard this so much on the radio and other things, and just didn't "get" it.

So it's just the SJW movement in 1 word?