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Geforce GTX 780, 770 coming in May

DarrenM343 said:
Think the problem is a declining market. People have moved to consoles, less people buy PC's, less people probably buying dedicated graphics card. Not sure new competition will find a declining market attractive.
Some say the prices are pushing people to consoles but I think the opposite is true. For a company to make a profit and a decent enough performance jump between releases, when selling to less customers, the price has to be higher. Better higher prices than all of us forced to consoles for gaming?

Look at the share price of buy AMD and NVidia. I know both companies are different (AMD make processors) but neither company have exactly followed the upward trend of the stock market over the last few years.
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Except that the increasing in pricing is gonna push even the ever declining PC gamers toward console at an accelerating rate, rush killing the graphic card market even faster.

12 months ago, I wouldn't even consider the prospect of game consoles, but now...

I think the foundamental problem is not really the price, but more about the performance increase per gen no longer worth people's money (as much as they use to). There's no problem for graphic card to be priced at £400-£500, but the performance of what's expected of card in that price bracket simply ain't there...

So they should either keep the pricing at reasonable level, or at least give the performance increase that the consumer expect; increasing pricing AND minimal performance increase is simply a equation that stopping peoples' cash parting from their wallet for upgrading...
 
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I agree ^^

Although one can't ignore production costs/market demand/rules etc, still the price has to match the performance. Imo no point in paying substantial amount of money if the performance increase is only incremental over previous gen.
 
Good thing i held off on getting the extra 680. Still if 780 card cost £400 - £500 and gains little performance i might as well get a next gen console.

The 680 will last me awhile so that i am not worrying about.
 
Martini1991 said:
GT3 may surprise you as far as IGP's go.
It's over double the spec of the GT2 which is what's in the current Haswell previews are.
Not as far behind as you'd hope (Given AMD's massive lead previously)
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AMD's current iGPU's are based on the 6000 series discrete, with Keveri they are skipping the 7000 going straight for the 8000 series.

Haven't Intel just done an AMD CPU? piled more cores on and upped the clocks.....
 
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humbug said:
AMD's current iGPU's are based on the 6000 series discrete, with Keveri they are skipping the 7000 going straight for the 8000 series.

Haven't Intel just done an AMD CPU? piled more cores on and upped the clocks.....
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We've seen that Richland isn't a massive gain for the igp in the preview, we've seen gt2 is a fair bit faster than hd4000, gt3 will be almost double that. Richland will be the better igp, but it's not going to be anywhere near the current gap, which means AMD squandered their massive lead.
No idea what you mean about them making an amd cpu, that's how gpu's are always done pretty much.
 
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TheRealDeal said:
The 4870 was also amd's flagship single gpu model and the release price here was around £200 ($299). I remember people going crazy over the £300 ($399) release price of the 5870 because of how low prices were on the hd4*** series. How times change, we would love a high end card to be around £300 on release these days.
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There are a few cheap exceptions, the 4870 was amazing bang for buck but However, 8800gtx were $649 on launch i beleive and the Ultras were $800.

We don't get over two dollars to the pound anymore which doesn't help.

Historically, from both sides, their flagship cards have been at least $550 to $600 which means £450 to £500 for us with conversion and VAT nowadays.

Equally, with inflation the list price ought to be more like $700 to $800 dollars.
 
humbug said:
The difference being the GTX 480 and 5870 would eat games of the day for breakfast and then ask for desert.

Today a GTX Titan can only just mange the most demanding games maxed out, that's a lot more money for something that's only just adequate for the best at the best settings.

4 / 5 years ago you paid a lot of money for the best and you got an absolute monster, that can't be said today.
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GTX480 and 5870 wasn't that great tbh.

People had already by then moved to bigger screens and everybody wanted lots of aa etc. I had two gtx470 in sli which I could still bring to a halt with some games.

The last beast of a card was the 8800GTX IMO. People were still cheqing games up 4 years later.
 
Martini1991 said:
We've seen that Richland isn't a massive gain for the igp in the preview, we've seen gt2 is a fair bit faster than hd4000, gt3 will be almost double that. Richland will be the better igp, but it's not going to be anywhere near the current gap, which means AMD squandered their massive lead.
No idea what you mean about them making an amd cpu, that's how gpu's are always done pretty much.
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yeah, Richland is just a Trinity refresh, which was just a Llano refresh on the iGPU side. They are very long in the tooth, AMD just kept them going with refresh tweaks while they take their time getting what should be groundbreaking,- right.

I'm talking about kaveri, GCN 2.0, 28nm, HSA, on chip GDDR5.
Its whats going in the new xBox, PS4 and Temash
 
Greebo said:
GTX480 and 5870 wasn't that great tbh.

People had already by then moved to bigger screens and everybody wanted lots of aa etc. I had two gtx470 in sli which I could still bring to a halt with some games.

The last beast of a card was the 8800GTX IMO. People were still cheqing games up 4 years later.
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The 5850 was amazing when it came out. £200 beast that could beat any single GPU card from the previous generation, pretty much setting up a new performance/price record.

It was also severely underclocked and could reach performance of 50% more expensive cards with a mild overclock. The card is not for off 7850's performance when put at the same clock.
 
Freddie1980 said:
GT3 looks as if it will be on par with a 7750.
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Thats what Intel boast

The A10-5800K scores 2610. http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+HD+7660D/review

It needs to be seen, not just take Intel at their word, it also needs to do just as well in actual games and be as cheap as AMD's chips.

And then they need to hope Kaveri doesn't put them back to square one.

None of this means Intel can just put a competing discrete GPU on the market, IMO that's pretty fanciful.

Here is some info on Richland http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2309611
Richland is not GCN, that comes with Kaveri.
 
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Rebranded 600 series, faster than predecessors

Our sources were happy to share some additional details about Nvidia’s upcoming cards. It turns out that the GTX 760 Ti, the slowest of the bunch, is based on the GK104 225 chip. The GTX 750 Ti has a 256-bit memory interface and in reality represents a rebranded GTX 670. It looks dangerously similar to existing GTX 670 boards.

Add-in-board partners expect to start selling this card in the third week or June and they will be able to make their own custom cards. We don’t know much about performance but we expect it to be around GTX 670 levels. The Geforce GTX 770 is based on a somewhat faster GK 104 425 chip, again a 256-bit unit, and our sources are telling us that the card is more or less a GTX 680 renamed for 2013. Nvidia will allow AIBs to manufacture their original boards but the cooling solution on the card looks like the one from GTX Titan.

The cooler better known as NVTTM cooling fan will let this chip clock higher than GTX 680 and should deliver at least a five percent performance boost over the GTX 680. The card is expected in the first week of June. The fastest of them all, based on the huge GK110 chip is the Geforce GTX 780. The card also shares a 256-bit memory buss and is based on GTX Titan LE. The first cards come as Nvidia direct boards and will be directly supplied to partners.

Nvidia will make these cards at first as it wants to control the quality and make sure nothing goes wrong in the manufacturing process. The card was supposed to launch on May 23rd but out sources now insist that it might show a week earlier on the May 16th, but we will try to find out which of these two dates is right.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31286-gtx-760-ti-770-780-detailed
 
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