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Geforce GTX 780, 770 coming in May

pgi947 said:
Hmm it's an awkward one, the performance gaps are fairly tight at the top, slower then a titan but faster then a 680 puts it, what, 10-15% faster then a 7970?

Oh well, maybe it will give AMD a kick up the bum to get the 8000 series released.
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yea it's just not worth the effort is it...

the 8000 series ? what makes you think that's any better, what happens if it's faster than a 7970 but slower than the 7990, because i bet you it will be between the two.

the 8000 series is good for one thing only...... 60Hz at 4K, that is if it'll have it, i expect it will, because 4K is on our near Horizon

most of us will only get the top end 8000 card, but i expect later on there will also be a top end 8000 dual card, because there always is, this is the one to get !!!!!

so it looks like my 7970 has to last a long time yet, because this 1st wave of 8000 cards wont be enough of a step up in performance
 
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I'll believe the Maxwell "massive performance gains over Kepler" statement when I see it. Kepler was supposed to be a massive step forward from Fermi, but in the real-world Kepler was only faster because of clock speed. If it was possible to overclock a GTX580 to GTX680 turbo clocks (if GTX580 was shrunk to the same process as Kepler), performance would be on par.

Now, some may argue that the GTX580's (480's) true successor should have been Titan. Even so, Titan's biggest gains come through it's process shrink, allowing more transistors on (an even larger) die.

My point being that recent architectural changes have lead to smallish increases in overall performance. The main bulk of improvements are down to die-shrinks which allow ever more transistors, running ever faster GPU speeds, matched to ever faster VRAM, whilst consuming less power per fps. Maxwell will likely provide a step increase, as with Fermi and Kepler before it.

I doubt whether we will ever see the likes of a 9700Pro or an 8800GTX again. Now they were cards worth upgrading to.
 
Mal X said:
yea it's just not worth the effort is it...

the 8000 series ? what makes you think that's any better, what happens if it's faster than a 7970 but slower than the 7990, because i bet you it will be between the two.

the 8000 series is good for one thing only...... 60Hz at 4K, that is if it'll have it, i expect it will, because 4K is on our near Horizon

most of us will only get the top end 8000 card, but i expect later on there will also be a top end 8000 dual card, because there always is, this is the one to get !!!!!

so it looks like my 7970 has to last a long time yet, because this 1st wave of 8000 cards wont be enough of a step up in performance
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7*** series cards can do 4K
 
555BUK said:
I'll believe the Maxwell "massive performance gains over Kepler" statement when I see it. Kepler was supposed to be a massive step forward from Fermi, but in the real-world Kepler was only faster because of clock speed. If it was possible to overclock a GTX580 to GTX680 turbo clocks (if GTX580 was shrunk to the same process as Kepler), performance would be on par.

Now, some may argue that the GTX580's (480's) true successor should have been Titan. Even so, Titan's biggest gains come through it's process shrink, allowing more transistors on (an even larger) die.
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I wouldn't argue it should have been titan - GK110 goes beyond the specs you'd normally find for the top end GeForce process of a generation - but not by a huge amount - if you imagine what a core would be like that fitted between GK110 and GK104 you pretty much have what would be the normal generation jump.

If you look at Kayla/Logan and the intentions with Maxwell and the ARM integration and performance/density focus they are taking I'd say its a good bet that Maxwell will be a significant jump in either performance, energy efficency or a middle ground of both, theres definitely potential there for a big performance increase over kepler.
 
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555BUK said:
I doubt whether we will ever see the likes of a 9700Pro or an 8800GTX again. Now they were cards worth upgrading to.
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Yea. These two cards are sitting comfortably on the throne in the hall of frame. The performance increase per gen for cards these days, none even deserve to sit at a small corner in the same hall as them (if the 7950 was at current price with current drivers performance and game bundles at launch, then it could have sat next to them also on the throne in the hall...but unfortunately that was not the case).
 
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Rroff said:
I wouldn't argue it should have been titan - GK110 goes beyond the specs you'd normally find for the top end GeForce process of a generation - but not by a huge amount - if you imagine what a core would be like that fitted between GK110 and GK104 you pretty much have what would be the normal generation jump.

If you look at Kayla/Logan and the intentions with Maxwell and the ARM integration and performance/density focus they are taking I'd say its a good bet that Maxwell will be a significant jump in either performance, energy efficency or a middle ground of both, theres definitely potential there for a big performance increase over kepler.
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Until i see it its more Nvidia bluster to get the Fanboys exited.
 
Rroff said:
If you look at Kayla/Logan and the intentions with Maxwell and the ARM integration and performance/density focus they are taking I'd say its a good bet that Maxwell will be a significant jump in either performance, energy efficency or a middle ground of both, theres definitely potential there for a big performance increase over kepler.
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Agreed. Clearly we need to wait and see but the early signs look very promising.
 
humbug said:
Until i see it its more Nvidia bluster to get the Fanboys exited.
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Proof as always is in the pudding - point of my post tho is that on the tech side theres enough progress/information to indicate that the potential is realistically there so I wouldn't be in a hurry to completely dismiss it even if I am being skeptical.
 
humbug said:
So show me where and how.
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Number one for Maxwell, that is likely something that we are doing that breaks new ground in visual capability, something that is even more beautiful. […] Number two, it is likely that Maxwell breaks new ground in programmability, ease of programmability, because we want to expand the general purpose nature of the processor without sacrificing its speedup relative to a microprocessor. […] The last thing, the energy efficiency of Maxwell, it is going to crush Kepler. We know exactly how to measure it now and we know what it means to be good,” said Jen-Hsun Huang, chief executive officer of Nvidia, during a Q&A session at the company’s investor day conference.
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---> http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...well_Architecture_Will_Break_New_Grounds.html

Straight from the horses mouth ?
 
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And I was just about to buy a 7950... I hate technology sometimes. Hopefully it comes out these cards are expensive and not that much a gain, 7950 will be worth going for XD Going to stick with the idea of selling after a year now anyway, only possibility of keeping up.
 
Razyre said:
And I was just about to buy a 7950... I hate technology sometimes. Hopefully it comes out these cards are expensive and not that much a gain, 7950 will be worth going for XD Going to stick with the idea of selling after a year now anyway, only possibility of keeping up.
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A HD 7950 will still be a good buy, the worst that can happen is the GTX 7 series knocks a few quid off of the price of the GTX 670/80 which the HD 7950 can beat/match in performance anyway.
 
Kaapstad said:
A HD 7950 will still be a good buy, the worst that can happen is the GTX 7 series knocks a few quid off of the price of the GTX 670/80 which the HD 7950 can beat/match in performance anyway.
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That was my thought. Not to mention in Crossfire, the 7950 should still beat the GTX 780 if the 30% guesses are right, and I can bet I can get two 7950s for the same price as a 780 at release lol.

Best thing is, I can afford to wait since my new PC that won't bottleneck the card should be all sorted by mid June lol, providing I do cave in and get C1 stepping Haswell.
 
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As the GPU's get more powerful at what point do you have to upgrade the CPU to avoid bottlenecking, will an overclocked i5 2500k on a z68 board for instance bottleneck a GTX 780?
 
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Dave2150 said:
They will not be made anymore, so stocks will dry up and as we've seen previously over the years, the price is more likely to increase as the stock dwindles.
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That inst what happened to the GTX 480's that you could pick up for £190 once the 580's were released...(well they did stop being made but they were sold off at amazing prices)
 
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