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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

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Nvidia could take some lessons from Sapphire who were the first to use Vapour chambers on gpu's. Notice the fins letting air get down to the surface as opposed to nvidia's effort which just blocks everything.
 
Update on the three of the heavily promoted RTX & DLSS games :

FFXV for PC was cancelled.
Tomb Raider is out not 2 months, everyone who bought it has finished it, no date for DLSS or RTX.
BF5 , current subscribers to Origin got to play the game yesterday, doesn't support DLSS or RTX. DX11 performance is way better than DX12 which is needed for DXR. Unknown date when DXR support will come.
 
Panos said:
Update on the three of the heavily promoted RTX & DLSS games :

FFXV for PC was cancelled.
Tomb Raider is out not 2 months, everyone who bought it has finished it, no date for DLSS or RTX.
BF5 , current subscribers to Origin got to play the game yesterday, doesn't support DLSS or RTX. DX11 performance is way better than DX12 which is needed for DXR. Unknown date when DXR support will come.
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2080 Ti is 35% faster than 1080 Ti

2080 Ti is only a tiny fraction slower than £2800 Titan V @2160p

20XX series are great cards and when RTX and DLSS arrive it will be the cherry on top.

Having said that I used to work for a well known cake manufacturer and could not be bothered about cherries.:D
 
Kaapstad said:
2080 Ti is 35% faster than 1080 Ti

2080 Ti is only a tiny fraction slower than £2800 Titan V @2160p

20XX series are great cards and when RTX and DLSS arrive it will be the cherry on top.

Having said that I used to work for a well known cake manufacturer and could not be bothered about cherries.:D
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What this has to do with the cancelled games and postponed for the future promised features that seems it will be 2019...

Here we have someone promising a cake and delivering only the cherries :D
 
Kaapstad said:
2080 Ti is 35% faster than 1080 Ti

2080 Ti is only a tiny fraction slower than £2800 Titan V @2160p

20XX series are great cards and when RTX and DLSS arrive it will be the cherry on top.

Having said that I used to work for a well known cake manufacturer and could not be bothered about cherries.:D
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I'm sorry, but I have to say that if you think that pointing out a card is 35% faster than a previous generation that is 2 years old, and costs almost double the price at launch is a good thing, then you are simply guilty of being naive to how the hardware industry works.

A 35% increase in 2 years at the same cost is bad enough, and the least you would expect, but adding a crap tonne of expense to a card aimed at 'gamers' when the technology is not finished and there are no games to support it is just backwards. They are using these people who buy cards to play games to pay for the the R&D of a currently useless product, that could end up no where for the next 2-3 years. I think the use of Tensor cores in industrial applications will certainly be a real boon, but these cards are aimed at 'gamers'. They should have included two or three games in the box off the bat, without an issue and then it might been seen as a fair price for a modest increase from the last generation, as the new features have a use to the target market. There is literally zero excuse that you/Nvidia or anyone else can give especially with the clout they have with developers, and the amount of money they give them to support Nvidia as the primary or preferred vendor to be used when playing their games.

I really hope that when RTX arrives, the poor sods that bought into the marketing crap get decent results, and not something insulting with frame rates below that on a GTX 1050 Ti.
 
Journey said:
I'm sorry, but I have to say that if you think that pointing out a card is 35% faster than a previous generation that is 2 years old, and costs almost double the price at launch is a good thing, then you are simply guilty of being naive to how the hardware industry works.

A 35% increase in 2 years at the same cost is bad enough, and the least you would expect, but adding a crap tonne of expense to a card aimed at 'gamers' when the technology is not finished and there are no games to support it is just backwards. They are using these people who buy cards to play games to pay for the the R&D of a currently useless product, that could end up no where for the next 2-3 years. I think the use of Tensor cores in industrial applications will certainly be a real boon, but these cards are aimed at 'gamers'. They should have included two or three games in the box off the bat, without an issue and then it might been seen as a fair price for a modest increase from the last generation, as the new features have a use to the target market. There is literally zero excuse that you/Nvidia or anyone else can give especially with the clout they have with developers, and the amount of money they give them to support Nvidia as the primary or preferred vendor to be used when playing their games.

I really hope that when RTX arrives, the poor sods that bought into the marketing crap get decent results, and not something insulting with frame rates below that on a GTX 1050 Ti.
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If Ferrari produced a car that was 35% faster than anything they had produced before people would pay 10X the asking price of the previous generation.

Back to GPUs, it is becoming ever more difficult to produce cards that have more performance than the previous generations by going down the node shrink route and soon the improvements to be had will be practically nothing. People are going to have to get used to next gen cards arriving that are both expensive and offer smaller performance increases. Future cards are going to be expensive as when AMD/NVidia have maxed out the silicon they are going to be forced to go down the mGPU route on a single PCB, these cards could also have expensive cooling options too.
 
Kaapstad said:
Back to GPUs, it is becoming ever more difficult to produce cards that have more performance than the previous generations by going down the node shrink route and soon the improvements to be had will be practically nothing. People are going to have to get used to next gen cards arriving that are both expensive and offer smaller performance increases. Future cards are going to be expensive as when AMD/NVidia have maxed out the silicon they are going to be forced to go down the mGPU route on a single PCB, these cards could also have expensive cooling options too.
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So you've literally just proven my point. Nvidia produced the card on an already mature process node with much lower costs than moving to 7nm. All the have done is add 20% more Cuda cores than a 1080 Ti and stuck GDDR6 on the card. The extra cost is going into a huge chunk of the die that is all but useless, and due to the size costs way more than it should.

They could have made a die with more Cuda cores on the 12nm process and ended up the same size or smaller than that of a 1080 Ti, so the cost would have been the same or less. Then in 12-18 months time released an RTX card on the 7nm node, and with actual games to support the product they are selling.

To use your badly flawed car analogy, it's like a manufacturer fitting a hydrogen fuel cell to your car, but not knowing when you'll be able to fill up using hydrogen, and having to pay a huge upfront cost for the possibility - but since you regularly change your cars you actually only got the added benefit for 3 months before changing it.

Without software you are literally paying 100% more for some useless transistors if you are a 'gamer'
 
D.P. said:
What has cancelled games got to do with GTX2080? OCUK has a games section here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forums/pc-games.103/
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Is one of the 3 flagship games for DLSS or Ray Tracing, used by NVidia to promote the Turing cards.
Which benchmark is being using during a year to show "how better" Nvidia cards are than AMD ones on a Gameworks title.

The other 2, BF5 & Tomb Raider are already out (Tomb Raider for two months now) have no DLSS or Ray Tracing yet. While DX12 (without DXR) perf on BF5 is worse than DX11 on Turing cards.
And DX12 is needed for DXR, while Nvidia promoted that DX12 is stronger on Turing than Pascal.....

You only have to look 3 months old official Nvidia presentations to understand why it is not "some cancelled game".
 
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