Poll: General election voting intentions poll

Voting intentions in the General Election - only use the poll if you intend to vote

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 287 42.0%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 67 9.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 108 15.8%
  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 25 3.7%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 15 2.2%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 36 5.3%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 137 20.0%

  • Total voters
    684
  • Poll closed .
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The media are saying they will go ahead with the debates wether Cameron turns up or not and will empty chair him.

Cameron has backed himself into a bit of a corner over this and it seems the media are calling his hand.
 
The complete absence of the leadership debates would be a shame (although it is worth remembering that we do not vote for the pm in this country, we vote for a local mp who does not have to share the views of the party leader), but it would be highly unfair to blame Cameron exclusively for the problem (not that unfair and dishonest blaming has ever bothered you, so I doubt you'll stop).

The makeup of the debates has been consistently flawed, first by excluding the greens (who have an mp) and including ukip (who when the decision was made, had no MPs). Given that the greens take primarily from labour and ukip predominantly from the Tories, this could have been considered a partisan decision, but we can give the broadcasters the benefit of the doubt for October.

The second proposal, however, definitely suggests bias. By adding plaid and the snp, they added two parties more likely to attack the government than labour but who only stand in part of the uk, but then they excluded the DUP, who also only stand in part of the uk, but tend to align with the conservatives, despite the DUP having more MPs than both the SNP and plaid (in fact, on 8 vs the SNP's 6 and Plaid's 3, they almost equal the two combined). At this point, it is hard to believe the broadcasters are this stupid, and it is definitely starting to look like a deliberate plan to bias the panel.

Why would you willingly expose yourself to a group that has perceivably shown bias against you on multiple occasions?

Well said. It seems to me that a huge part of the problem here are these 'broadcasters' who have behaved in an unbelievably shady, underhand and biased way. No one elected them, and no one can call them to account. They just dictate terms.
In principle I do not support so-called pre-election 'leadership debates'; I think they reduce politics yet further to soundbites. But if we must have debates then we should legislate for an independent body, with a panel who organize the debates. This is what happens in the USA: http://www.debates.org/
Right now it is obvious to anyone that these 'broadcasters' are in it to create a spectacle, and are grinding their own prejudiced axe. Take 2001, when Hague wanted to debate Blair. Blair said no, and that was the end of it. But now these 'broadcasters' think they can force the British PM to attend. That is outrageous.
 
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10 million people tuned in to watch the first debate on ITV, we can't have that can we? Ordinary people getting interested in politics.

A typical post from you, arrogant, misguided and perjorative. You really are a bore.

Heaven forbid people watch an interview with well thought out questions rather than soundbited grandstanding. But carry on, given your inability to think or reason and get suckered in by the likes of UKIP I'm not surprised you liked the debates. What an exciting show they made! All that shouting! All the lights! All the arguing!
 
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Well said. It seems to me that a huge part of the problem here are these 'broadcasters' who have behaved in an unbelievably shady, underhand and biased way. No one elected them, and no one can call them to account. They just dictate terms.
In principle I do not support so-called pre-election 'leadership debates'; I think they reduce politics yet further to soundbites. But if we must have debates then we should legislate for an independent body, with a panel who organize the debates. This is what happens in the USA: http://www.debates.org/
Right now it is obvious to anyone that these 'broadcasters' are in it to create a spectacle, and are grinding their own prejudiced axe. Take 2001, when Hague wanted to debate Blair. Blair said no, and that was the end of it. But now these 'broadcasters' think they can force the British PM to attend. That is outrageous.

Nothing to do with Cameron's own lacklustre performance in the 2010 debates then? Which many Tories blame for them having to form a coalition. :cool:
 
Well said. It seems to me that a huge part of the problem here are these 'broadcasters' who have behaved in an unbelievably shady, underhand and biased way.

How have they behaved in a biased way, exactly? Unless you buy into Dolph's self-contradictory argument that having both more and less parties on the left harms the Tories.

No one elected them, and no one can call them to account. They just dictate terms.

They are not dictating terms; they've entered into negotiation and altered the terms as the Prime Minister requested. That the Tories have chosen not to enter into these negotiations in a good faith manner is what has sunk them.
 
Nothing to do with Cameron's own lacklustre performance in the 2010 debates then? Which many Tories blame for them having to form a coalition. :cool:

You seem to think that the 2010 debates influenced voting intentions. The evidence is quite different. If there was an influence on voting intentions, then it was slight (perhaps the LibDems gained or retained a seat they might have lost, but that's not even clear). One reason for this is that these kind of debates never probe issues sufficiently, and rather tend to well-prepared soundbites. Remember in the first 2010 debate Clegg-Mania hit, then in the following two debates that died down and the polls returned to the norm. The reasons for the Coalition's being are more involved that you seem to think and suggest, and are not a cheap function of the 2010 debates. The reason for Coalition between the Tories and LibDems has much more to do with Labour's economic disaster of 2008, and the fact that the voters were generally disillusioned with the solutions the politicians proposed, and hence no clear winner resulting from the 2010 election.
 
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What have they actually done that is so terrible.

Killed the economy recovery they inherited leading to three long years of near stagnant growth; laid the groundwork for privatising the NHS; raised tuition fees; presided over the lowest period of house building since the war; tried (and failed) to balance the books by targeting the poorest and most vulnerable in society through the bedroom tax, the welfare cap, the freeze on benefits, the freeze on in-work benefits, the targeting of increased sanctions against claimants whilst at the same time cutting the highest rate of taxation for the rich and increasing spending on pensioners; led to the longest period of sub-inflationary income increases in recorded history; favoured their voters to the extent that pensioners know earn more on average than workers; most of the omnishambles budget; and on and on and on.

This has been the worst government of recent times. I can think of just four good things they've done: gay marriage, scrapping id cards, stamp duty reform and the capital gains tax increase.
 
Stripping away the bulls*** about these TV debates and what do you have? One of the soon to be made redundant is trying to set the conditions for his job interview.
It would not be tolerated in industry so why is it even being talked about. The voters in his constituency should take note of his arrogance and give him his P45. He and the rest are nothing without the people's say and I fervently wish more people would realise it.
 
I really am fed up with people my age (16-18 year olds) hating on the Conservatives. What have they actually done that is so terrible.

Well people in your age group have been well and truly shafted by this government so have every reason to hate the Conservatives - tuition fee increases, scrapping EMA to name but two things. Ah I hear you cry, but this is because of the awful mess left by the last government, public spending had to be cut to balance the books. Fair enough I say, but why then have benefits for well-off older people been protected by the Conservatives then?
 
You seem to think that the 2010 debates influenced voting intentions. The evidence is quite different. If there was an influence on voting intentions, then it was slight (perhaps the LibDems gained or retained a seat they might have lost, but that's not even clear). One reason for this is that these kind of debates never probe issues sufficiently, and rather tend to well-prepared soundbites. Remember in the first 2010 debate Clegg-Mania hit, then in the following two debates that died down and the polls returned to the norm. The reasons for the Coalition's being are more involved that you seem to think and suggest, and are not a cheap function of the 2010 debates. The reason for Coalition between the Tories and LibDems has much more to do with Labour's economic disaster of 2008, and the fact that the voters were generally disillusioned with the solutions the politicians proposed, and hence no clear winner resulting from the 2010 election.

What evidence? I think the debates were an extremely positive thing and did cause a stir of excitement amongst the usually apathetic public. Remember the queues that formed outside some polling stations in 2010? Though it's certainly not a good thing that some people were denied a vote because they were too late, it is a good thing that so many people were actually trying to vote.
 
What evidence? I think the debates were an extremely positive thing and did cause a stir of excitement amongst the usually apathetic public. Remember the queues that formed outside some polling stations in 2010? Though it's certainly not a good thing that some people were denied a vote because they were too late, it is a good thing that so many people were actually trying to vote.

I don't think the queues had anything to do with increased voter turnout, if you look at the figures, although 2010 showed an increase relative to 2005, it was still well down on historical participation levels.
 
I really am fed up with people my age (16-18 year olds) hating on the Conservatives. What have they actually done that is so terrible.

Widespread youth unemployment, removal of EMA, £9,000 a year tuition fees, against giving 16-18 year olds the vote, removal of housing benefits for the young whilst introducing special savings bonds for the old. I have no idea why young people hate on the Tories.
 
Widespread youth unemployment, removal of EMA, £9,000 a year tuition fees, against giving 16-18 year olds the vote, removal of housing benefits for the young whilst introducing special savings bonds for the old. I have no idea why young people hate on the Tories.

Buying votes of a group with the money of other people should not be an acceptable course in a fair, liberal democracy.
 
Here are some David Cameron quotes about the debates that I saw on another forum.

“I absolutely believe in these debates and think they are great.” – David Cameron, Sky news, 14 April 2010

“I think it is great we are having these debates and I hope they go someway to restore some of the faith and some of the trust into our politics because we badly need that once again in this country.” – David Cameron, Leaders Debate, ITV, 15 April 2010

“Look, I’ve been calling for these debates for five years, I challenged Blair, I challenged Brown, I challenged when I was ahead in the polls, and when I was behind in the polls. I just think they are a good thing.” – David Cameron, Daily Telegraph, 17 April 2010

"I’ve always wanted these debates to happen. I mean they happen in every country. They even happen in Mongolia for heaven’s sake and it’s part of the modern age that we should be in.” – David Cameron, BBC3, 21 April 2010

“I think these debates are here to stay. They clearly engage people in politics which is what we need.” – David Cameron, News of the World, 2 May 2010

“If you want the TV debates to go ahead you have got to do it fairly between the main parties and look, having said I want them, having challenged people to have them and quite right, Sky saying let’s have them, it would have been feeble to find some excuse to back out so I thought we’ve got to stick at this, we’ve got to do it. It will be challenging, it was, but I think I came through them.” – David Cameron, Sky News, 3 May 2010

“On TV debates, I’m in favour of them, I think they’re good and we should go on having them and I will certainly play my part in trying to make that happen.” – David Cameron, Coalition mid term review, 7th Jan 2012

“I think TV debates are good. I enjoyed them last time – particularly the last one.” – David Cameron, Press Association, 10th December 2012

“You know we’ve been going on for years about let’s have these debates and I think it really vindicated having that. I think people will be asking themselves why on earth, what was all the fuss about? Why on earth didn’t we have these things before? We should have done and it’s great they’re underway now and I think we’ll have them in every election in the future and I think that’s a really good thing for our democracy.” – David Cameron, BBC Radio Manchester, 16 April 2014

“Blair pulled out against Major and Major pulled out against Kinnock, Thatcher pulled out against Callaghan. I’ve just always believed that these need to happen. It’s good for democracy. It’s good to see.” – David Cameron, BBC Radio Manchester, 16 April 2014
 
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