Poll: General election voting intentions poll

[thep02]

You sometimes have to tear something down in order to rebuild it.

Universal Credit has got more "cripples" back to full health than Jesus did.

Many think Major Ian Smith is responsible for thousands of suicides I saw one count of 13,000 a year ago.

 

[Danthus]

Many think Major Ian Smith is responsible for thousands of suicides I saw one count of 13,000 a year ago.

I'll bite, where does that number come from?

 

[Destination]

His point (I think) was about reducing income inequality - you can either do that after tax, by making sure high income people pay more tax so that people on low incomes keep a greater proportion of their income, or you can do it before tax and make sure there aren't as many people on high incomes so that companies have more money to redistribute to lower earners.

He said Germany do it.
Their tax rate appears comparable to our own.
So his point appears to be invalid unless I am missing something regarding Germany.

 

[thep02]

I'll bite, where does that number come from?

Don't recall just something I came across on the web do a search if you're interested, I was only chatting not making a big issue.

 

[Danthus]

Don't recall just something I came across on the web do a search if you're interested, I was only chatting not making a big issue.

Insinuating one man and his policy is somehow responsible for 13,000 suicides is some chat.

 

[thep02]

Insinuating one man and his policy is somehow responsible for 13,000 suicides is some chat.

Mate I'm watching the golf I'm not going to search out some benefits site with some research pointing to that figure if you are interested do a search using what you think might be the parameters that will result in the correct answers, IS changed the rules so the figures are hard to find by simple request.

 

[scorza]

He said Germany do it.
Their tax rate appears comparable to our own.
So his point appears to be invalid unless I am missing something regarding Germany.

Do what? I've just told you how you reduce income inequality.

 

[thep02]

I note terminal boy isn't being requested to show proof method and research to prove his allegation that IS cured more cripples than Jesus.

 

[Quartz]

The SNP are behaving badly: bullying and racism.

 

[Danthus]

The greens have announced a 60p top rate of tax this morning.

 

[scorza]

The greens have announced a 60p top rate of tax this morning.

Probably the least wacky of their policies.

 

[thep02]

The greens have announced a 60p top rate of tax this morning.

Used to be 98% when I was a lad, at what figure does it start?

 

[Judgeneo]

Maybe they have less income inequality before taxation. I know they have much more union representation, including at board level in Germany, be interesting to know if they have zero hours contracts over there, somehow I doubt it. I think the make up of the German economy also helps avoid extreme income inequality - they're famous for having an economy based on lots of medium sized companies, rather than few mega-corps we have here in the UK.

Zero hour contracts are much less widespread in Germany due to a few contract law differences IRC.

The point about their tax intake is interesting, they take in more tax than us, and spend less.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending#As_a_percentage_of_GDP

 

[Danthus]

Used to be 98% when I was a lad, at what figure does it start?

£150,000 off the top of my head.

 

[thep02]

£150,000 off the top of my head.

Ah, good then.

 

[Fuzz]

The bottom 10%, the poorest people in this country, across all forms of taxation, pay 45% tax on their income.....

Where as the top 10% pay just 33%..

This needs to stop, right here, right now.

and a good analogy I saw somewhere (could have been here) is that it should not come from "how can we tax the rich more", but from how we should tax the poor less!.


More to it than that of course. vimeo.com/116297032

 

[Danthus]

The bottom 10%, the poorest people in this country, across all forms of taxation, pay 45% tax on their income.....

Where as the top 10% pay just 33%..

This needs to stop, right here, right now.

and a good analogy I saw somewhere (could have been here) is that it should not come from "how can we tax the rich more", but from how we should tax the poor less!.

Also what needs to stop is the ridiculous practice of taxing the lowest earners and then handing it back in benefits.

 

[thep02]

Also what needs to stop is the ridiculous practice of taxing the lowest earners and then handing it back in benefits.

Agreed because the taking then giving back is a huge waste of time and effort.

 

[Destination]

The bottom 10%, the poorest people in this country, across all forms of taxation, pay 45% tax on their income.....

Where as the top 10% pay just 33%..

This needs to stop, right here, right now.

and a good analogy I saw somewhere (could have been here) is that it should not come from "how can we tax the rich more", but from how we should tax the poor less!.

They do not pay 45% of 'income' tax.

In your analogy is if someone 'rich' and someone 'poor' buy the same car, then in VAT terms the poor person has paid more tax.
No they have not. They have paid the same amount of tax. Whether or not that amount is a larger % of their total amount of money is a different matter.

Are you suggesting we should have different VAT rates, council tax rates for everything as a proportion of what you have? If so then state which items should be categorised and subject to this luxury rate of VAT. I am not against this in reality, but you have to be careful on what you suggest.

I just ponder if you think a good way to do it, is by adding 12% to the income tax rate? I think this would be short sighted and idiotic, people have different expenses at different income levels.

I chose to have sickness protection, sickness insurance, income protection policies, critical illness cover, life insurance and assurance. None of this is tax deductible, but if I lose a hand, or some such injury, I will still be able to care and afford my family. I won't be a sponge on society, I am not in your 10% top chaps, nowhere close to it.

These policies slap my disposable income massively, but they won't be anywhere in your figures on the amount of tax I pay, yet me taking such policies benefits the rest of society by in the case of such an event means I won't be a benefit claimant for the rest of my life.

How would you end the massive disparity you see in the figures? How exactly do they arrive to the totals?

 

[Destination]

Agreed because the taking then giving back is a huge waste of time and effort.

Employs civil service in wasted jobs, messes with tax system in a way that isn't beneficial, adds red tape, raising the tax low limits is a good thing, and should be continued, alongside removal of hand backs.