Poll: General election voting round 5 (final one)

[cupidstunt]

Perhaps you'd like to use your own words and some reputable sources. I'm not watching a YouTube video.

Sweden is doing pretty well by all metrics I can see; and was a very pleasant country last I saw. What's so bad?

He puts it far more eloquently than I ever could. Its a 6 min (or so) video, surely you have time for just a tiny bit of unwelcome `propaganda`.

Sweden is having massive trouble with the Muslim community that it welcomed into its country.

https://youtu.be/RZsvdg1dkJ4

 

[joeyjojo]

Really it should be nationalised & I say that as somebody who works in the energy private sector & has worked with generation & trading. The economic impact is somewhat meaningless in comparison to the potential environmental risks of doing nothing.

Removing carbon from generation is something which a number of nations need to make the first steps to lead the rest, as mentioned before - Germany is already ahead of the game on this.

I was going to write this if nobody else had already. You're underestimating the true costs of carbon based energy generation PlacidCasual. The present cost of fossil fuels on human health alone (through pollution) is many times larger than the cost of investing in low-carbon alternatives. That's before even considering the "immeasurable" total worldwide cost (how do you "value" extinctions for species that have no direct economic value?).

Some nice articles to start with (apologies if condescending):
Fossil fuels are way more expensive than you think
Climate change is already damaging global economy, report finds

However you measure it, replacing the majority of our generation with renewables would be a drop in the ocean compared to "business as usual".

Investors need to get out of fossil fuel companies ASAP.

 

[escape sanity]

He puts it far more eloquently than I ever could. Its a 6 min (or so) video, surely you have time for just a tiny bit of unwelcome `propaganda`.

Sweden is having massive trouble with the Muslim community that it welcomed into its country.

https://youtu.be/RZsvdg1dkJ4

It's a Pat Condell video. Once you have seen one, you have seen them all.

And no, Sweden is not having "massive trouble" with the Muslim community. At the last election, the Swedish equivalent of UKIP got roughly the same percentage of the vote that actual UKIP will get in two days time. If there was "massive trouble", surely you would expect them to be doing better given that they are the only major right-wing party in Sweden?

Plus, there is no "open door immigration" for any Muslim country to the UK.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

I was going to write this if nobody else had already. You're underestimating the true costs of carbon based energy generation PlacidCasual. The present cost of fossil fuels on human health alone (through pollution) is many times larger than the cost of investing in low-carbon alternatives. That's before even considering the "immeasurable" total worldwide cost (how do you "value" extinctions for species that have no direct economic value?).

Europe could go zero carbon tomorrow and it would make very little difference to global pollution levels.

 

[escape sanity]

Europe could go zero carbon tomorrow and it would make very little difference to global pollution levels.

The 3rd biggest CO2 emitter in the world with 11% of total emissions going zero carbon would make very little difference?

 

[Terminal_Boy]

The 3rd biggest CO2 emitter in the world with 11% of total emissions going zero carbon would make very little difference?

11% difference. Globally and statically irrelevant.

 

[Glaucus]

edit: and I don't see what value high voltage networks provide its a generation issue not a distribution one. They've managed to distribute energy effectively for 50 years.

It's very much a distribution issue. It's nothing like distribution from 50years ago. It requires new dedicated powerlines, to spread the production across the country. Atm the solar is concentrated in one area and spikes the grid, and in other areas there's not enough power. Atm they are using neighbouring countries to even it out, but they are building a new power grid to spread it out evenly.

 

[D.P.]

If by 'failed miserably' you mean they 'got loads of their manifesto into the coalition agreement even though they were a relatively small minority of the coalition', then I wonder what'd constitute success in your view?

http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-manifesto-coalition-agreement-ucl-29188.html

Tuition fees, limiting austerity?

 

[cupidstunt]

I can only guess that Sweden`s population are scared off being tarred with the `racist` brush if they were to vote for their right wing party. Indeed it seems like it is an offence over there now to even dare to say anything that might be construed as `offensive to others`
Its the same here at the moment, if you say your going to vote for UKIP, your instantly branded a `racist`.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...TuoYi56hDbu4tjv4Q&sig2=lavSsFTqIj4ts-vatLqN2Q

 

[D.P.]

If only it were that simple, David "cowardly" Cameron is now saying that he'll squat in Downing Street unless Labour have more seats than the Tories, on the grounds that the party that finishes second forming government wouldn't be legitimate and therefore couldn't command the confidence of parliament. If he wins that argument and the polls are correct then it's either a Conservative government or another election

If David tries to block a Labour government purely because they might have a few less seats that is illegal and i=would be one of the few times the Queen could conceivable stretch her muscles and ask Milliband to step forwards for a vote of confidence or a new election.

Either way labour and the SNP wont let that happen, it would be highly illegal.

 

[escape sanity]

I can only guess that Sweden`s population are scared off being tarred with the `racist` brush if they were to vote for their right wing party. Indeed it seems like it is an offence over there now to even dare to say anything that might be construed as `offensive to others`
Its the same here at the moment, if you say your going to vote for UKIP, your instantly branded a `racist`.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...TuoYi56hDbu4tjv4Q&sig2=lavSsFTqIj4ts-vatLqN2Q

I must have missed the part where Swedes vote by standing on a plinth in the middle of the town and screaming the name of the party they wish to vote for. I assumed they voted anonymously like other democracies.

Your link is irrelevant btw. Removing the word "race" from legal documents != banning discussions about race.

 

[D.P.]

I can only guess that Sweden`s population are scared off being tarred with the `racist` brush if they were to vote for their right wing party. Indeed it seems like it is an offence over there now to even dare to say anything that might be construed as `offensive to others`
Its the same here at the moment, if you say your going to vote for UKIP, your instantly branded a `racist`.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...TuoYi56hDbu4tjv4Q&sig2=lavSsFTqIj4ts-vatLqN2Q

Half of UKIP voters admit to being racists so it is hardly surprising that people generalize to the the other half who might be racist but don't admit to it.


If the UKIP want to stop their racist party image then they need to get rid of half of their candidates who end up in the paper every other week with some remark about polish muslims who simultaneously steal their job and claim JSA. They should then get rid of the racist leader who once said He would never win the N-word vote and who would be worried if Romanians moved in next door. It would also help if they stopped bleating on about immigrants and found something else to round out their hilarious manifesto.

Hopefully with that done then the party wont attract so many self-admitting racists and in time the party wont be referred to as racist.

 

[McPhee]

If David tries to block a Labour government purely because they might have a few less seats that is illegal and i=would be one of the few times the Queen could conceivable stretch her muscles and ask Milliband to step forwards for a vote of confidence or a new election.

Either way labour and the SNP wont let that happen, it would be highly illegal.

You mean something along these lines?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...more-seats-labour-get-ready-very-british-coup

TBH that's the last thing that should be allowed to happen.

 

[Diddums]

Stolen from elsewhere on the internet....
While walking down the street one day a Member of Parliament is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'

'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.

'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'

'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the MP.

'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he went down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he found himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and dressed in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They played a friendly game of golf and then dined on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it's time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and wave whilst the elevator rises....

The elevator rises and the door opens in heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

'Now it's time to visit heaven.'

So, 24 hours pass with the MP joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'

The MP reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.' So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down down to hell.

When the doors open he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. ' I don't understand,' stammers the MP.

'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened? '

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, ' Yesterday we were campaigning.......


Today you voted.'

 

[D.P.]

https://youtu.be/V5vDTbxnMXc

Get rid of this carousel of fools.

How many more times will everyone be disappointed with their vote when you find your chosen party gets in and then reneges on just about every policy that you voted them in for.

And everyone seems to forget THE single most important part of this election, immigration.
Think that sounds stupid ? have a look at Sweden. It will come here.

Immigration may be the most important thing for you but for avast majority of the country they thankfully couldn't care less about people who who contribution more in taxes that British citizens.

 

[robgmun]

If David tries to block a Labour government purely because they might have a few less seats that is illegal and i=would be one of the few times the Queen could conceivable stretch her muscles and ask Milliband to step forwards for a vote of confidence or a new election.

Either way labour and the SNP wont let that happen, it would be highly illegal.

I don't know about illegal, but the government comprised of 2nd and 3rd place parties would be highly illegitimate in my eyes and Milliband would be no better than a squatter in number 10 being held up by a party that isn't even a proper UK party. It was be a disaster of Labour and if he would be decimated in the polls come the 2020 election.

I think he knows this, don't be surprised if he steps aside if the Tories can convince the Lib-dems to side with them along with whatever UKIP and the DUP have

 

[D.P.]

I don't know about illegal, but the government comprised of 2nd and 3rd place parties would be highly illegitimate in my eyes and Milliband would be no better than a squatter in number 10 being held up by a party that isn't even a proper UK party. It was be a disaster of Labour and if he would be decimated in the polls come the 2020 election.

Good Job your eyes are meaningless.

The constitution is simple, which ever party can pass the queen's Speech is the legitimate party to rule the country.

What would be illegitimate would be for a party that is voted no confidence to try to rule the country. David Cameron trying to become a fascist dictator and ignore democratic votes does not make a legitimate government.

 

[cupidstunt]

Your link is irrelevant btw. Removing the word "race" from legal documents != banning discussions about race.

Isnt that an attack on free speech !!

 

[robgmun]

What would be illegitimate would be for a party that is voted no confidence to try to rule the country. David Cameron trying to become a fascist dictator and ignore democratic votes does not make a legitimate government.

LOL at "fascist dictator" if he has more seats than Labour then he has the democratic vote of the people like it or not. Labour being propped up by a party that no one in England even voted for, that sounds far more like a fascist dictatorship then the Tories. Sounds like your mask is slipping and you revile yourself to be a raving socialist.

 

[jimjamuk]

Good Job your eyes are meaningless.

The constitution is simple, which ever party can pass the queen's Speech is the legitimate party to rule the country.

What would be illegitimate would be for a party that is voted no confidence to try to rule the country. David Cameron trying to become a fascist dictator and ignore democratic votes does not make a legitimate government.

I agree - someone gets to propose a gov and it gets voted on, if it fails the other party gets to have a go. Where is it suggested though that DC has suggested that he fancies becoming a fascist dictator or did you just get a bit excited. You don't actually believe everything you read on the Internet, right??