don't work that way
if it was that simple the courts wouldn't have ruled that Jailbraking iphones was legal.
Its your device, you paid for it. You can NOT be told what you can and can't do with a device you legally own. Terms and conditions or not.
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don't work that way
if it was that simple the courts wouldn't have ruled that Jailbraking iphones was legal.
Its your device, you paid for it. You can NOT be told what you can and can't do with a device you legally own. Terms and conditions or not.
Exactly.
whats jtag xbox got to do with it, which can be unbanned anyway, if you dont sign into psn how are you going to get flagged? Maybe read up on this?
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Installing modified official firmware is illegal though? Custom firmware has to be built from the ground up to be legal. Modifying someone elses IP is against copyright law, so surely downloading and using the firmware has legality issues too.
Must have mentioned it many times before, jailbreaking your iOS is legal in the US as its main use will not affect copyrighted material, according to a judge. This a bit like R4 cards will probably be deemed illegal as its main use will affect copyrighted material. As for TOS when you sign upto Psn and at various other times you accept their TOS which include not modifying the ofw.
yet the court ruled that jailbreaking is legal.
You can argue all you like, the court of law ruled it was legal !!!
so you broke the T&Cs of PSN, big deal.
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pfft. I'm gonna write the judge and tell him he was wrong
thing is there are two battles here
1) the battle to be given the right to do what you want with hardware you own. Once you buy it, its yours, some big corporation has no right to tell you what you can and can't do with it. Furthermore, Sony should not be allowed to remove features it promised at launch, and furthermore received a tax break from the UK government for.
2) the ability to play pirated games on the PS3
The latter i hope sony wins. I'm no advocate of piracy.
I do hope sony loses the former however.
1) the battle to be given the right to do what you want with hardware you own. Once you buy it, its yours, some big corporation has no right to tell you what you can and can't do with it. Furthermore, Sony should not be allowed to remove features it promised at launch, and furthermore received a tax break from the UK government for.
2) the ability to play pirated games on the PS3
The latter i hope sony wins. I'm no advocate of piracy.
I do hope sony loses the former however.
It's not that simple. What you've suggested would be the equivalent of 'securing' the new key with a key that's been publicly leaked. Sony can't Simply blacklist the old masterkey as that would render all current software useless. The system is wide open and can't simply be locked down again. All Sony can do is attempt to detect CFW when PS3 connecting to PSN.
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has that guy understood now?
effectively you will need two consoles (unless sony cannot detect custom firmware)
first ps3 console - official firmware, needs official discs (therefore you still need to buy the games you want to play online), can be used online.
2nd ps3 console - custom firmware, doesnt need official discs (therefore all games are free but can only be played offline), cannot be used online (when sony update their security).
therefore is it worth me spending £200 (on another console) in order to play any offline game i want for free?
or shall i save the £200 because i only like online play? i therefore doubt i will bother buying a second ps3, unless they become much cheaper (dont like second hand) simply due to the fact i only play online or against my bro and i hate single player games.
im sure a lot of other people are in the same boat as me, they dont see the point in spending £200 on another console in order to save £30 here and there. obviously in the long run it would be better to spend the £200, but some people may not want to.
effectively you will need two consoles (unless sony cannot detect custom firmware)
first ps3 console - official firmware, needs official discs (therefore you still need to buy the games you want to play online), can be used online.
2nd ps3 console - custom firmware, doesnt need official discs (therefore all games are free but can only be played offline), cannot be used online (when sony update their security).
therefore is it worth me spending £200 (on another console) in order to play any offline game i want for free?
or shall i save the £200 because i only like online play? i therefore doubt i will bother buying a second ps3, unless they become much cheaper (dont like second hand) simply due to the fact i only play online or against my bro and i hate single player games.
im sure a lot of other people are in the same boat as me, they dont see the point in spending £200 on another console in order to save £30 here and there. obviously in the long run it would be better to spend the £200, but some people may not want to.
yeah, i understand youve gone from talking about the hacking community being small because you believe the majority of people think the way you do, to only talking about your own point of view now, well done on that backtrack, its more accurate now
by the way, any security sony implement, will last about 2 weeks tops, a couple of times a year, it will be pretty much ineffective and only catch first time amateurs out, and only the first time, its like xbox live, ms have to update the dash or game to add flags to modified systems, modders have the option to update, dont, wait for fix, then back online, it wont be any different with sony, and psn is free, how much effort do you think they will put into it, lol
by the way, any security sony implement, will last about 2 weeks tops, a couple of times a year, it will be pretty much ineffective and only catch first time amateurs out, and only the first time, its like xbox live, ms have to update the dash or game to add flags to modified systems, modders have the option to update, dont, wait for fix, then back online, it wont be any different with sony, and psn is free, how much effort do you think they will put into it, lol
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i doubt you know much about the actual hacking scene.
on the psp, dark alex was the whole entire scene, he made every custom firmware. as soon as he retired, not a single stable firmware has been released and its been years since he retired.
unless you have another sole genius like dark alex (geohotz doesnt condone piracy) then i doubt the scene will be able to keep up with sony.
the only reason the psp scene kept up with sony was because of dark alex, without him there would be no scene.
i see a similar scenario on the ps3. with nobody around with the right knowledge, custom firmwares wont materialize.
as with the above, do you know how hard it would be to implement a dual boot system which keeps up to date with both an official firmware and a custom firmware.
give this another 3 months, lets see if someone steps up on the scene who can actually make "decent stable" custom firmware. without that guy nothing will happen.
The PS3 'CFW' isn't the same as the PSP's though. Remember, the PS3's root keys are in the wild, and signed homebrew doesn't require a CFW to run, you just need a way to get it onto the HDD. Geohot's 'CFW' is actually only a small and very simple modification to the original 3.55 Firmware, all it does is add an 'install package' option to the menu, and patch a small file to disable .pkg file signature checks (the actual homebrew software within the .pkg files are signed, thus will run on a stock firmware).
I'm sure there are plenty of other devs who will be capable of doing the same thing with any firmware updates.
I'm sure there are plenty of other devs who will be capable of doing the same thing with any firmware updates.
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it seems some people just dont read about whats going on and keep trying to liken it to other systems, they seem to think they know what sony are going to do and have great faith in them etc, i dont care what you doubt or dont doubt sonny, do you actually read any ps3 forums? i dont mean fanboy forums either
That often doesn't matter, terms of service often don't mean much and stand for much anyway, look at how many EULAs are in fact illegal and completely pointless? Agreeing to a contract doesn't matter if it's an illegal contract, and on top of that, there's nothing that really comes about from breaking these terms of service.
Funny isnt it.
Piracy will hurt, theres no denying that. However, for some to say its the end of Sony is hilarious.
Piracy has been rampant on the the 360 since the dawn of time.