Geohot and Fail0verflow are getting sued

wannabedamned said:
I get that you believe that its just pretty much for homebrew stuff, but I dont get where your "Nope" comes from? regardless of what its used for the software\OS has been altered.. That's a no no, in any book!


There's a copy of Photoshop floating around the web with an alternative name. Its photoshop, but all the security has been stripped out. Everything else has been left intact. Do you think that's legal??
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The Nope - To remove the protection in a Virgin Box is solely for one purpose and that is to defraud Virgin whereas Gehots CFW solely allows the running of homemade software nothing else if someone alters that CFW (undoubtedly they will) to run "backups" then your argument is valid BUT at the moment your comparison is not accurate therefore no argument (at the moment). :)

In actual fact I don't think he has stripped any security out of the firmware he has merely added the instruction to allow other software (correct me if I am wrong on this).
 
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msmalls74 said:
Yay for hackers and pirates:rolleyes:
You only own the hardware, the software is property of Sony so you can do what you want to the hardware but software is copyrighted and belongs to them. Thing is it will be stopped next FW when usb updates are removed and you have to do either on PSN or via a disk.
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you do know you could do an IP switch and update it using your pc, or put the firmware onto a CD if you stop the USB route.

its been fully hacked, there is no viable option to stop it. why cant people understand that?

the only way to stop it is: make a new ps3, then get everyone to return their old ps3's for a new one.
 
msmalls74 said:
Yay for hackers and pirates:rolleyes:
You only own the hardware, the software is property of Sony so you can do what you want to the hardware but software is copyrighted and belongs to them. Thing is it will be stopped next FW when usb updates are removed and you have to do either on PSN or via a disk.
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i wouldnt be so quick to defend sony.

Sony brought this on themselves with their arrogance over removing the option for "install other os"

THe hackers had gladly left the PS3 untouched for years, and never had any intention of using it for pirated games.

Geohot produces a video to try and stimulate some development on it showing what can be done with the Other OS option, and sony get **** scared and remove it via firmware download. Offer nobody any recompense including people who use the feature and just told everybody "tough"

that ****ed off all the wrong people and just woke up the sleeping giant - a massive community of hackers who wanted their other OS option back so they could continue to use the PS3 for doing their own stuff with.

It was a geohot video which sparked the whole thing in the first place, and he never had any intention of releasing an update which allowed people to play pirated games. The priates would have hacked the PS3 to play pirate games ages ago if they could - but they can't. THe people who hacked the PS3 are ethical hackers just wanting to use the PS3 they bought as they choose. Not pirates seeking to peddle copied games.

Now, the master keys to everything are out there and there's **** all sony can do about the fact. Flexing muscles and threatenning lawsuits left right and centre and sueing hundreds of people doesnt change the fact the master encryption keys are now in the public domain.
 
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According to multiple sources, Fail0verflow, the group SCEA are sueing over their PS3 hacking work have defied them outrageously. The respective team has reportedly decided to release all their hacking tools, claiming that they are perfectly LEGAL because they do not contain any keys or Sony software. More below.

A messaage reads...


"LEGAL TOOLS that do not contain any keys or any SONY software created by the team fail0verflow (please clone this repository and avoid to the big fish eats the small fish using the money and the recurses of one Multinational against talented people that seeking new hombrew uses in the PS3 console and the return of Linux)"

Claiming that: " you can't put Pandora back in it's box


seems like a right mess by Sony
 
Well that was a retarded move by Sony.

Cash settlement would've been smoother. :p

I bet you their share prices will go up because of this though.
 
skippi90 said:
God there are some numpties still around here.
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Indeed. I'm staggered by the number of people who will seemingly buy into a company's product one day, and then gladly turn on them the next when they're trying to protect their investment. I cannot understand why people think these hackers have a right to start tearing the PS3 apart; whether they condone piracy or not is largely irrelevant if piracy occurs as a result of what they've done. They're responsible for it either way.

Incidentally, the suggestion that "THe hackers had gladly left the PS3 untouched for years, and never had any intention of using it for pirated games." is hilariously ignorant; there will have been plenty of people trying to break-in long before any of this happened.

All that being said, hopefully the real-life effect of all this is minimal, but it is a shame to think that hackers and pirates may soon have free-roam on PSN.

Concorde Rules said:
Oh well, the PS4 will be done properly, one hopes, with linux ability included... again.
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Not a chance, they're not going to appease to the people who have just potentially cost them a lot of money and trouble.
 
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BunnyKillBot said:
To be fair, Sony were bound to respond, but their rhetoric is fairly pathetic. Banging on about video game piracy. We all know this had nothing whatsoever to do with running pirated games, and everything to do with gaining access to some fairly awesome hardware. Sony's current stance makes it look like a pathetic RIAA school child.
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lol

it has EVERYTHING to do with running pirated games. i dont think you realise how much americans are desperate for pirated games on next gen consoles (without xbox live bans of course)many think it is their right to be able to play a 3 doller 'backup' . just look at the uproar when they all got banned before MW2. it is those types who will be donating to the likes of geohot and giving him the attention he craves.

piracy already ruined the dreamcast and pc gaming. can you not see why sony would be worried about it ?

theres people in this thread who have no doubt been eyeing up bluray burners the last few weeks. its the same people who always seem to have pc games or xbox games 2 weeks before release
 
Andy I was reading fine until you said piracy ruined PC gaming...

That is wrong. There's no argument, it's just wrong. It has put a dent into development yes but ruined it? No.

They had Sony in their hands like putty, they really should have held out to see how it would play.
 
Hold on a minute no one is condoning Piracy and the people in this thread that keep brining it up are the people that are against it (as we also are). We talk about running homebrew software and some jackass shoves his nose in everytime and says It's the end of the PS3 gaming world as we know it because of piracy" just hold on there we understand that you don't like piracy that's fine but your in the wrong thread to keep moaning about it.

If you want the thread closed like the last one keep it up you "I'm gonna post nothing but Piracy BS over and over lot" are going to get this shut.

This thread is talking about Gehot anf FailOverflow getting served by Sony for opening the console up for homemade software.

Anyway getting on with it......

Bad move by Sony there, now TeamOverflow releasing details of the tools used to open the PS3 is a win against Sony, everyone with the knowledge to do so is going to be able to recreate anything that they did.

Bravo Sony another win for you.
 
bloodline76 said:
Why would you buy a PS3 if you want it to do the job of a PC. :rolleyes:

Yes there are many thickies in this thread.
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I ALREADY HAVE A PS3 YOU SILLY, SILLY MAN.

I don't see how a media centre is a job solely for a PC either (specially when the PS3 already has such capabilities), I guess that's just another stupid argument being used by the anti-CFW crowd.
 
Margaret said:
I ALREADY HAVE A PS3 YOU SILLY, SILLY MAN.

I don't see how a media centre is a job solely for a PC either, I guess that's just another stupid argument being used by the anti-CFW crowd.
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Surely you read up on the limitations that a piece of equipment has before you buy it. Or maybe not by your intelligent comments.

Blood from a stone comes to mind. :rolleyes:
 
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Well we can now create our own gold master discs, signed sealed and delivered, good for the scene, devastating for the playstation brand. In my honest opinion this is the end for playstation. Anyone can now set up shop in china and run off signed copies of retail blu-rays that will run on any console with the public none the wiser, possibly the worst and most devastating hack ever achieved.

Christmas 2009 people proved, in a somewhat misguided way, that if they chose, anyone could be number one. This year Sony are learning the hard way not to get on the wrong side of the community. I dont condone it, i lament it, but by god am I glad that someone has done it!
 
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"andy" said:
piracy already ruined the dreamcast and pc gaming
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wow, talk about a strawman argument! I'd love a link to a decent source that says pc gaming is ruined and dead in the ground - I can provide many that say the opposite (but I'm on my phone atm). Last year I bought 30-40 new PC games, and own ~200 (mostly Steam, in my sig). PC gaming is *far* from ruined!
 
I love the 'sony deserves it' angle. its hilarious.

MrLOL said:
i wouldnt be so quick to defend sony.

Sony brought this on themselves with their arrogance over removing the option for "install other os"

THe hackers had gladly left the PS3 untouched for years, and never had any intention of using it for pirated games.

Geohot produces a video to try and stimulate some development on it showing what can be done with the Other OS option, and sony get **** scared and remove it via firmware download. Offer nobody any recompense including people who use the feature and just told everybody "tough"

that ****ed off all the wrong people and just woke up the sleeping giant - a massive community of hackers who wanted their other OS option back so they could continue to use the PS3 for doing their own stuff with.

It was a geohot video which sparked the whole thing in the first place, and he never had any intention of releasing an update which allowed people to play pirated games. The priates would have hacked the PS3 to play pirate games ages ago if they could - but they can't. THe people who hacked the PS3 are ethical hackers just wanting to use the PS3 they bought as they choose. Not pirates seeking to peddle copied games.

Now, the master keys to everything are out there and there's **** all sony can do about the fact. Flexing muscles and threatenning lawsuits left right and centre and sueing hundreds of people doesnt change the fact the master encryption keys are now in the public domain.
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the sleeping giant vs sony...lol.

I'll offer you another perspective, geohot was responsible for trying to open the console up when he / they decided that what sony offered with OtherOS (limited functionality, limited access to the gpu ect) wasnt good enough. If geohot hadnt of blown it open in the first place, otherOS would still be here now.


how about that?
 
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People saying otheros caused this. Have you considered that if OtherOS hadn't existed in the first place Geohots original hacking progression and the ps3hack data sticks likely wouldn't have been developed? If OtherOS had never been included in the first place it's not completely unlikely that the console still wouldn't have been hacked.

The research/tools overflow used to give them a leg up were developed off the back of exploiting the otheros feature in the first place. If anything Sony are LESS likely to include otheros in their future consoles because of this.

Many completely unexplainable high horses in this thread.
 
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