German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'

Moothead2 · 25 Jul 2012 at 20:55

T345 said:
he said that they cut the penis off, that is incorrect

No, he said cutting parts of babies. The foreskin is part of a baby. lrn2read

estebanrey said:
Where did I state that?

Above, second post down.

zenf · 25 Jul 2012 at 20:56

T345 said:
he said that they cut the penis off, that is incorrect

No, I said "cutting parts off babies". You know what a part is, right?

T345 · 25 Jul 2012 at 20:56

Moothead2 said:
No, he said cutting parts of babies. The foreskin is part of a baby. lrn2read

Above, second post down.

You learn to write

RDM · 25 Jul 2012 at 20:56

estebanrey said:
Are you lot thick or are you winding me up?

The Torah/Tenakh are the first five books of the Old Testament, ergo part of the Bible.

Are you honestly challanging Castiel when it comes to theology?

spoffle · 25 Jul 2012 at 20:58

T345 said:
he said that they cut the penis off, that is incorrect

No he didn't.

Craterloads said:
Again you are posting misinformed drivel, do some homework before you attemp to find holes.

What you have stated in factually incorrect and doesnt warrant an explanation, you best of reseaching yourself. It is NOT why it is done in Islam, hence you had no question to ask

What? That's not even what I asked you.

Saying a circumcision is mandatory in Islam IS saying that God's design of men is at fault. To say the foreskin needs to be removed implies the presence of the foreskin is a design defect, which would go against Islam.

Craterloads · 25 Jul 2012 at 20:59

RDM said:
Really? It seems very much like you are trying to justify your religious beliefs with non religious reasons.

Just no.

It has been a long thread, I don't recall you saying "The primary reason I am in favour of infant circumcision is because of my faith". Is that the primary reason you are in favour of infant circumcision?

You pretty much asked the same question and i answered it then, my personal reasons are No1: religion, with the added medical benifits in that order.

I told you this then. I have been trying to keep my personal reasons out of it, but it seems you cant help but pretty much point and says "look there's a muslim"

Craterloads · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:00

RDM said:
Are you honestly challanging Castiel when it comes to theology?

Please remove your nose from castiels anus

estebanrey · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:00

RDM said:
See above...

Clearly you've forgotten the context of what was being said. StriderX thought they were two completely separate things (he said he thought Jews read the Torah but felt corrected when you said Tenakh), I was trying to point out that the Torah is part of the Tenakh and not something completely different.

Just like the Tenakh is part of the Bible, they aren't separate and the Bible isn't exclusive to Christianity.

Castiel · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:00

estebanrey said:
I never said it wasn't. You claimed 'The Bible' specifically refers to Christianity. This is wrong.

No it isn't......'The Bible' refers to the Christian holy book, the Hebrew Bible is known as the Tanakh, they share a portion of scripture, The Torah or the Pentateuch (if we are referring to Christianity).

Craterloads · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:01

spoffle said:
No he didn't.

What? That's not even what I asked you.

Saying a circumcision is mandatory in Islam IS saying that God's design of men is at fault. To say the foreskin needs to be removed implies the presence of the foreskin is a design defect, which would go against Islam.

Jesus Christ you are so misinformed, until you come back theres nothing i can say to help you.

i can see why you have chosen this line of questioning, but your knowledge is lacking.

spoffle · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:02

Craterloads said:
Jesus Christ you are so misinformed, until you come back theres nothing i can say to help you.

i can see why you have chosen this line of questioning, but your knowledge is lacking.

In Islam, you are supposed to believe that God and his actions are always without fault, right?

Craterloads · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:03

spoffle said:
In Islam, you are supposed to believe that God and his actions are always without fault, right?

Correct, + god works in mysterious ways lol

estebanrey · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:04

Castiel said:
No it isn't......'The Bible' refers to the Christian holy book, the Hebrew Bible is known as the Tanakh, they share a portion of scripture, The Torah or the Pentateuch (if we are referring to Christianity).

You wanna update Wikipeda then?

Bible
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from The bible)

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the books") is any one of the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism and Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

You better inform the guys that write the Oxford English Dictionary whilst you're at it.

Bible Pronunciation: /ˈbʌɪb(ə)l/
Translate Bible into French | into German | into Italian | into Spanish
Definition of Bible
noun
(the Bible)
the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments:
[as modifier]:
Bible stories
Bible study
(the Bible)
the Jewish scriptures, consisting of the Torah or Law, the Prophets, and the Hagiographa or Writings.
(also bible)
a copy of the Christian or Jewish scriptures.
a particular edition or translation of the Bible:
the New English Bible
(bible)
informal a book regarded as authoritative in a particular sphere:
a brand-new edition of this filmgoers' bible

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Bible?q=the+bible

Moothead2 · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:04

Craterloads said:
Correct, + god works in mysterious ways lol

Ahahahah. The good old "Mysterious ways" cop out.

RDM · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:05

Craterloads said:
You pretty much asked the same question and i answered it then, my personal reasons are No1: religion, with the added medical benifits in that order.

I told you this then. I have been trying to keep my personal reasons out of it, but it seems you cant help but pretty much point and says "look there's a muslim"

You really do have a massive chip on your shoulder when it comes to your faith don't you? I personally couldn't care less what god you choose to believe in however if I feel that some aspect of the faith is stupid I am not going to keep quiet just because it may offend. Islam (and Judaism's) attitudes towards circumcision are frankly wrong and should be discouraged. Much like Catholicism's attitdues towards homosexuality is wrong and should be discouraged. I am not a huge fan of moral relativism when harm is involved.

Craterloads said:
Please remove your nose from castiels anus

Sorry, respect where respect is due, I may disagree with Castiel when it comes to religion on occassion but his knowledge of theology is outstanding.

spoffle · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:06

Craterloads said:
Correct, + god works in mysterious ways lol

So if God and his actions are always perfect, and you believe foreskins are to the detriment of a man, then that means God and his actions aren't always perfect if you require the removal of the foreskin.

estebanrey · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:07

RDM said:
Sorry, respect where respect is due, I may disagree with Castiel when it comes to religion on occassion but his knowledge of theology is outstanding.

Clearly not.

spoffle · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:08

estebanrey said:
Clearly it's not.

Brah, don't be quoting the Oxford dictionary while dropping a bomb such as:

You better inform the guys that write the Oxford English Dictionary whilst your at it.

It's painful to read.

Craterloads · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:08

RDM said:
You really do have a massive chip on your shoulder when it comes to your faith don't you? I personally couldn't care less what god you choose to believe in however if I feel that some aspect of the faith is stupid I am not going to keep quiet just because it may offend. Islam (and Judaism's) attitudes towards circumcision are frankly wrong and should be discouraged. Much like Catholicism's attitdues towards homosexuality is wrong and should be discouraged. I am not a huge fan of moral relativism when harm is involved.

Dude what are you babbling on about now, i was merely pointing to the fact you keep trying to drag my personal faith into something which i have clearly tried to keep seperate.

Like the "just be honest and say its due to a 1400 year old book" type comments :rolleyes:

Which you have repeated various times, in some form of another.

zenf · 25 Jul 2012 at 21:09

Craterloads said:
.. but it seems you cant help but pretty much point and says "look there's a muslim"

I honestly am sorry that you see it that way, that's really not my intention. I really don't really care what you believe or what religion you belong to, but I can't help but see circumcising babies, without it being necessary, as a fundamentally wrong and sick thing to do.