German Grand Prix 2013, Nürburgring - Race 9/19

arknor said:
They are told what should be a safe time and stay near it if a driver fails to reach q3 based on the time he was told it's not his fault it's his engineers for telling him a wrong time.

I'm pretty sure the 2 different engineers will say 2 different times based on their judgement.
hamilton was 2 tenths faster maybe because his delta time was 2 tenths faster.

We all know the teams like to save tyres
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Yes but he set a time, things change, the track was improving throughout the session, they had time to come back out. Vettel and his engineer would have decided if they were coming back out, and Hamilton and Rosberg, Rosberg and his team clearly chose not to thinking they were safe, they weren't. Its a mistake, again you were saying its basically a conspiracy and the team screwed Rosberg, which was laughable.

Its actually very likely that Hamilton/Rosberg were given about the same time to go for and Brawn said Rosberg just had a bit of a bad lap. Obviously the time they aim for isn't 0.0001 seconds below the cut off so be a couple tenths slower and its going to be risky but could very easily still go through.

Driver and team make these decisions and together they decided they were safe. I find it hard to believe a team would go directly against the drivers wishes if he chose to go out. Regardless of what his team told him, he can see the times himself, all drivers monitor them, and part of being a driver is making decisions. Both Rosberg and the team decided they were safe.. they weren't, thats it. No conspiracy, Hamilton has comfortably beaten Rosberg all season and a Merc 1-2 is FAR better for Hamilton than a Merc 1-11. Drivers and teams make mistakes and get tactical calls wrong, thats all that happened.

Mr Jack said:
Have we ever seen a driver in 2nd place 4 minutes before the end of Q2 knocked out? Mercedes were wrong in this instance but I don't think they were foolish.
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Early times often tumble, there have been plenty of times the big boys have come out done their safe laps and tumbled all the way down.. the few times there are huge upsets its more likely traffic or a bad lap when they rush out at the end, but I'm fairly sure there have been drops that big before.

As you say, they did get the call wrong(thats the whole team, Rosberg and his engineers) but it wasn't absurd to think they would probably make it and could save a set of soft tyres.

He could have course have come out with 3 mins to go and ended up caught in traffic and still not made it, in general though that car is awesome in qualifying... but there will always be mistakes, lets just hope for Merc's sake its one of only a few this season.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I would imagine the front 5-6 cars will pit and get stuck behind those on mediums. In general I expect Vettel to get ahead of Hamilton in the second stint and be stronger from then on, but if the traffic holds up Vettel and helps Hamilton... who knows.
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Wasn't there a huge lack of overtaking the last time they raced here? I can remember drivers being able to keep others behind them lap after lap with good use of KERS.

Still, I'm looking forward to the race today. Especially interested in how Lotus go on race pace, and also wishing a good showing from Sauber who seem to have some severe financial problems.
 
Sliver said:
Looking forward to this one. My only problem is trying to keep away from any news about the race till the BBC highlights tonight. :(
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I was a bit miffed yesterday.

I'd managed to avoid all news about qualifying then settled down to watch the highlights on the beeb. I caught the back end of the tennis when Sue Barker piped up (something like) "This match will continue over on BBC2 as BBC1 is now moving to the highlights of the German F1 qualifying where Lewis Hamilton has gained pole position"

Thanks Sue, that's spoiled it for everyone :mad:
 
Jono8 said:
:D say what?
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So glad I was wrong about that!

I made the same mistake as the commentators – poor setup just before Quali, six tenth off pole in Q1, three tenths off in Q2 – it just didn't look like he had it, then bam! :cool:

It's like DM said, the top guys do what they have to do to get into the next session without going flat out and destroying their tyres.

I just couldn't tell the difference at that stage. :)
 
paintguy said:
I was a bit miffed yesterday.

I'd managed to avoid all news about qualifying then settled down to watch the highlights on the beeb. I caught the back end of the tennis when Sue Barker piped up (something like) "This match will continue over on BBC2 as BBC1 is now moving to the highlights of the German F1 qualifying where Lewis Hamilton has gained pole position"

Thanks Sue, that's spoiled it for everyone :mad:
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what a fail!

going to set sky go up in a bit, its so hot today nad im burnt from yesterday, i dont fancy going out in sun!
 
paintguy said:
I was a bit miffed yesterday.

I'd managed to avoid all news about qualifying then settled down to watch the highlights on the beeb. I caught the back end of the tennis when Sue Barker piped up (something like) "This match will continue over on BBC2 as BBC1 is now moving to the highlights of the German F1 qualifying where Lewis Hamilton has gained pole position"

Thanks Sue, that's spoiled it for everyone :mad:
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Caught me out as well :mad:


Lots of qually pics here - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/07/06/2013-german-grand-prix-qualifying-in-pictures/
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Seems I am going to get booted off the TV half way through the race for tennis. Good way to annoy an F1 fan tbh.
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They come out on court at 2, so with the race finishing at 2.30, they would only be a couple games in after warming up. Watch it delayed if they can't miss those?

Great Hamilton interview on Sky just now.
 
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