German Grand Prix 2014, Hockenheim - Race 10/19

el_dazza said:
Not exactly hard to do when you've got by far the best car on the grid. There are many drivers that would have put in the same performance from 20th in that car today. I'm not saying it was a bad drive, just not as impressive as everyone is making out.
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And what about Rosberg? Everyone whooping and high-fiving and hugging and congratulating yet a slightly trained chimp could have won that race from pole in that car.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Hamilton hit him, sure, but we saw Sutil with MUCH less space spot and avoid Hamilton because he was actually paying attention to what was on his inside. Button saying he hit his rear like he came from behind. But had Button actually looked on his inside he'd have seen Hamilton there and could have avoided him VERY easily. The contact was also on the sidepod, not his rear tire, showing just how much Hamilton was alongside him, not behind him.

Button was not paying attention seemingly going into the corner or during the corner. Went wide, was slow, and then didn't even look for a car on the inside.

I think both are at fault, but Hamilton simply misread button's mistakenly poor corner. However after that Hamilton couldn't turn any tighter to avoid contact, Button COULD have done something to avoid contact, for me there is a bit more blame there for Button.

Not sure why teams keep going for stupid long stints... it hasn't worked for years except in some very extreme circumstances. Mclaren aren't a known great on their tire car, neither are Ferrari(compared to say a FI or Lotus of past years). Why are Mclaren trying to go so long? Even if you pit early why not split a 37 lap stint into 22-23 laps soft and the rest supersoft and push harder?
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Why did lewis apologise if it was jensons fault?
 
smr said:
Why did lewis apologise if it was jensons fault?
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Because at the time he thought it was his fault. He may change his mind when he sees the replay of the incident. Looked to me like Jenson Balance was not paying attention.
 
Vertigo1 said:
And what about Rosberg? Everyone whooping and high-fiving and hugging and congratulating yet a slightly trained chimp could have won that race from pole in that car.
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Yup, not exactly the most interesting drive he'll ever have. The Merc is just too damn good. Didn't have to do anything today.
 
Another good race for the 'old dog' JB, at least he drove a clean one not like others who seem to want to barge other cars off the track in their haste to pass.

Well done to Rosberg for his win, it is never straight forward or easy to win any race as it looks from your armchair...
 
IPBA said:
Because at the time he thought it was his fault. He may change his mind when he sees the replay of the incident. Looked to me like Jenson Balance was not paying attention.
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Oh jensons fault ok... looked to me like lewis clipped more cars than just jensons today but as usual the messiah will be hailed for driving an exceptional race with a car a second quicker than anyone else. Impressive stuff.
 
smr said:
Oh jensons fault ok... looked to me like lewis clipped more cars than just jensons today but as usual the messiah will be hailed for driving an exceptional race with a car a second quicker than anyone else. Impressive stuff.
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Those are the rules here,you know that ;)
 
Makes me laugh though. Lewis called today "another gift" for rosberg.... so that makes silverstone a gift for lewis seeing as rosbergs car broke from 1st position... lol.
 
Just watched the lewis jenson incident.... lewis' front right locked up..... people on twitter etc. Also saying to crofty that lewis was driving too aggressively today and even "wrecklessly". #justsayin
 
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Regy53 said:
What about two dnf's for Lewis previous?
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Fair enough but the point being rosberg doesnt seem to come out with these "ooh im so hard done by" quibs like lewis... he just shuts up and doesnt blame himself or the team and gets on with things after any setbacks.
 
smr said:
Fair enough but the point being rosberg doesnt seem to come out with these "ooh im so hard done by" quibs like lewis... he just shuts up and doesnt blame himself or the team and gets on with things after any setbacks.
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Hes only had one to lewis's three,......
 
It will balance itself out by the end of the season though.... rosberg is bound to have more dnfs where lewis wont. So you just shut up about it... unless at the end of the season rosberg has had way more luck.... but theres a loooong way to go.
 
smr said:
Why did lewis apologise if it was jensons fault?
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Where did I say it was all Jenson's fault precisely? I said more his fault, Hamilton apologised for misreading the situation. Jenson could have apologised for being an absent minded ***, but he didn't.

You know two people can apologise to each other even if one of them is solely at fault let alone when there is blame to go around. Someone locks up badly, the guy behind smashes in to him, not his fault but he still smashes into him and still says sorry.

Why are you going out of your way to suggest that a friendly wave to say sorry for his part in it, is the same as accepting complete and total responsibility? Hamilton also wouldn't have seen any replays nor seen that Button could easily have seen and avoided him if he was paying attention when he did wave an apology.

As for what people on twitter think........... lol, twitter is just maybe worse than facebook, there will never come a time when I give a flying **** about the opinion of people on twitter or any other social media.


Simple question, do you think Hamilton was actually being over aggressive, seeing as his reaction inside the car and after the race was, he thought he was letting him go by? When a driver moves over in a corner leaving space... it's aggressive to go by? So it's aggressive when people overtake blue flagged cars also?

likewise, from the replay, can you see how far alongside the Mclaren the Merc was, the contract was in the sidepod not the rear tire as Button said. Be honest, could Button see him, did Button have craploads of room on the outside so he could have turned away and avoided contact... but didn't?

Sutil genuinely couldn't see Hamilton with a mirror full of Alonso, and yet Hamilton went through as well and Sutil spotted him, had less time to react and still avoided contact. Why couldn't Button? More to the point Button could see one car in his mirror, Hamilton, he had to be aware he was there, he knew there was no contest in terms of speed. With Hamilton close behind down a DRS straight, why wasn't he remotely looking for Hamilton to be there and why with Hamilton so close behind did he leave so much room?

I can understand completely having a go at Hamilton for misreading Button's intention(even if you ignore Button's odd corner speed, room, angle, everything), but why would you try and make the argument about Hamilton being too aggressive? For other moves there is a case, though his only aggressive move was on Kimi, and Vettel was massively more aggressive and no one said a thing, with worse contact.
 
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smr said:
Just watched the lewis jenson incident.... lewis' front right locked up..... people on twitter etc. Also saying to crofty that lewis was driving too aggressively today and even "wrecklessly". #justsayin
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to me it looks like button made a mistake and hamilton capitalised on it, button should have known he was being followed by a merc who is faster and should have expected a move.


Looked to me like he was dozing and got caught out.

But of course in your eyes button can do no wrong.
 
I don't understand why Hamilton was so aggressive tbh. He would've finished in the top 2 or 3 regardless of whether he kept trying to outbrake people on hairpins or waited a few more seconds and just took them on the straight. He tried the same move 3 times and nearly had 3 collisions so he's lucky to get any points at all today.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
I don't understand why Hamilton was so aggressive tbh. He would've finished in the top 2 or 3 regardless of whether he kept trying to outbrake people on hairpins or waited a few more seconds and just took them on the straight. He tried the same move 3 times and nearly had 3 collisions so he's lucky to get any points at all today.
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He wasn't. Old man button was caught sleeping again and left a massive gap on the right
so Lewis went for it and the buttons alarm clock went off and he drove to the right to much, instead of staying his racing line.
 
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