German Grand Prix 2014, Hockenheim - Race 10/19

Skeeter said:
Of course, but that went for de Villota too, and de Silvestro. Sirotkin is only their because of his money. Ma Qing Hua too. And countless other test drivers who have been added to a teams roster purley for reasons other than their skill.
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Ma Quighua seems to be pretty much slam dunk on that point (really, what is he doing in a F1 seat?) but every other F1 driver you've chosen to mention actually has a decent record that justifies their initial placing; Wolff doesn't.

And she actually seems to be getting extra flack for wanting to try and prove herself too. I don't rate her, but given what means people are 'buying' seats by out there, Susie having a couple of Friday runs is hardly the worst thing to happen to F1 in the history of the sport...
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I think it's a great thing she's got some run outs in F1. I'm not sure we'll ever see a female driver compete at the top level in the modern sport but people like Wolff getting even a bit of testing increases the chances that if someone does come along with the talent needed they'll actually get a shot at proving they can make it.
 
Skeeter said:
But my point is, shes just a test driver. Its not like she has used Daddys money (Max), her corrupt governments money (Maldonado), or her Connections (Ide) to buy a race seat, to name just a few.
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Although, her husband being Executive Director and owning 16% of Williams probably didn't hurt her chances of getting a test seat.

;)
 
Skeeter said:
(I also love how, yet again, someone on here has gone on a massive rant, but then contradicted themselves in their own post. You say she has achieved nothing to deserve being in F1, but then back that up by giving Kimi (former WDC and 20 race wins) and Massa (almost WDC and 11 race wins) as examples of peope who achieved nothing to deserve to be in F1.....? Don't you think you should have picked bad drivers as your evidence?)

Or maybe its just a sexist rant, I dunno...
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No I didn't contradict myself, I didn't say they didnt deserve their spot. I said there was enough talk those drivers didnt deserve to be where they were but nothing is said of this driver getting a test slot.

My point was kimi was laughed at in the press for his 20 odd races and whether he should have been granted a super licence. Yet he won a majority of his lower formula races despite being only 20 odd. She has won nothing. At no point did I even say kimi and massa achieved nothing to deserve to be in f1.

As for a sexist rant, I question her credentials when the rest of the forum is swooning over her looks or what she might look like as a nurse. Who is the sexist?
 
dannyjo22 said:
No I didn't contradict myself, I didn't say they didnt deserve their spot. I said there was enough talk those drivers didnt deserve to be where they were but nothing is said of this driver getting a test slot.
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Perhaps that's because its is juat a test slot! Your comparing her to race drivers as if she has flashed her boobs and stolen a race seat from someone more deserving.

Shes done 2 Friday sessions and that's it. In the current world of F1 being a test driver actually reduces your chances of getting a race seat too. Do you not think your maybe going a bit overboard in your efforts to slate her for "getting where she is just because she's a woman", when in reality "where she is" is actually not really anywhere at all?

If she gets a race seat and proves to be utterly useless than we can team up and both get vocal about it, but for the moment she's just a bit of positive PR for Williams and isn't really in anyone's way.
 
Skeeter said:
In the current world of F1 being a test driver actually reduces your chances of getting a race seat too.
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:confused:

Who has an F1 seat who wasn't previously a test driver for an F1 team in recent years? As far as I can make out every driver who has been a rookie in one of the last three seasons drove Friday practice sessions for one of the team in the previous year.
 
Most of those will have usurped a signed 3rd driver to be in that spot though, as they were being groomed for a seat.

How many of the signed up test/reserve drivers this year have driven the car? 2 out of 21, from what I remember (http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-line-up/198/). Banking on being a test driver has ended a number of drivers single seater careers too as they stop racing and then never get a drive (Turvey, Bird, Valsechi, Calado, etc). Being a test driver is a worse choice than staying in the lower formulas until you get a race seat.
 
I think we can all agree the amount of testing and track time for any driver wanting to break into f1 is too lacking these days?

So why waste time on a pr stunt, black, white, male or female. Wasted track time. I'd prefer to see someone who may actually have a chance to break through. I'd also like to see proper test sessions for non current drivers, I bet Williams would still run her....
 
I suppose when a 3rd (or test/reserve or 'sponsored' :p) driver the hope is that you can continue racing in the lower formula (like Nasr, Vandoorne etc this year) or be really, really lucky and have the team get you a drive elsewhere like Bianchi.

The RB set up must be a blessing and a curse both at the same time.

I'd love to see more sanctioned track days designed for young up and coming drivers to test... and not be used to develop new parts but policing that would be so difficult.
 
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dannyjo22 said:
I think we can all agree the amount of testing and track time for any driver wanting to break into f1 is too lacking these days?

So why waste time on a pr stunt, black, white, male or female. Wasted track time. I'd prefer to see someone who may actually have a chance to break through. I'd also like to see proper test sessions for non current drivers, I bet Williams would still run her....
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The testing situation is dire, but in turn that makes it pointless as a development ground. As a team it's a much better tactic to do what McLaren did with Hamilton and Magnussen and support them in lower formulas and then slot them into a race seat. Being a signed test driver is no longer the preferred route into a race seat that it used to be. If anything, it is actually geared more towards PR stunts and securing funding than driver development, so is it really surprising that's exactly how the teams are using it?
 
dannyjo22 said:
She is f1s danica. Slightly above average looking in photoshoots. The black angle has been done and now this box needs ticking. I bet you are happy to moan about a Maldonado or pay driver but happily accept this one because it has ****. The best people should get track time, not because of gender. This is just the same as Cameron lobbing women in the cabinet to box tick.
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Except at Hockenheim Wolff was within three tenths of Massa, a driver with over ten years experience who was WDC for eight seconds in 2008. Nobody's suggesting that Bottas or Massa be kicked out of the car because she's more deserving than they are, but she certainly deserves a seat as much or more than Chilton and possibly Gutierrez as well.

And yeah, you are being sexist. You're also being racist.
 
Given how close her times were, I think she deserves a race seat.

(Maybe not in a Williams , although I dont think much of Massa at all - but no reason why she couldnt perform for Sauber or TR etc )
 
Really? 1 practice session and your convinced? Blimey.

And if she did somehow manage to get a race seat, it would almost certainly be with a Mercedes aligned team.
 
JeditOjanen said:
Except at Hockenheim Wolff was within three tenths of Massa, a driver with over ten years experience who was WDC for eight seconds in 2008. Nobody's suggesting that Bottas or Massa be kicked out of the car because she's more deserving than they are, but she certainly deserves a seat as much or more than Chilton and possibly Gutierrez as well.

And yeah, you are being sexist. You're also being racist.
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Chilton at least has race wins and poles to his name. Besides I'm not saying he's deserving I'm saying people complain about drivers like him and a Maldonado anyway, yet are quite happy this no mark gets in an f1 car.

As for comparing to massa and his team mate, you really think they were racing her in practice or setting up for a real life actual race while she did her best with no thought of having to race. In that case 3/10ths might as well be 3 seconds. Completely different scenarios. Does she get use of a weight advantage these days?

Wanting the best in the car isn't sexist, no part of my comments have been sexist any more than me saying Maldonado shouldn't be anywhere near a car.

Racist, lol. Where your constant comments about vettel last year sexist and racist?
 
dannyjo22 said:
Racist, lol. Where your constant comments about vettel last year sexist and racist?
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No. You see, I don't discriminate against Vettel because he's German or male. I discriminate against him because he's an obnoxious whiner who doesn't have one tenth the talent he thinks he does.

As for your racism: you implied, deliberately or otherwise, that Lewis Hamilton only got his F1 start because someone wanted to "tick the black box" in the same way you think a box is now being ticked for Suzie Wolff.
 
Lol JeditOjanen :rolleyes:


dannyjo22 said:
Chilton at least has race wins and poles to his name. Besides I'm not saying he's deserving I'm saying people complain about drivers like him and a Maldonado anyway, yet are quite happy this no mark gets in an f1 car.
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As I've been saying, your comparing apples and oranges. Susie Wolff hasn't used her sexuality to blag a race seat she doesn't deserve. She is in a test driver role, and has had just 2 Friday sessions. Regardless of how she got that seat, its completely incomparable with those who have bought race seats as its... not a race seat. Its a PR spot on a Friday morning, nothing more.

She isn't an F1 race driver. Shes not in anyones way. Comparing her to Maldonado/Chilton/etc (and then saying shes worse) is rather unfair in my view.
 
JeditOjanen said:
As for your racism: you implied, deliberately or otherwise, that Lewis Hamilton only got his F1 start because someone wanted to "tick the black box" in the same way you think a box is now being ticked for Suzie Wolff.
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Lewis Hamilton got his place on merit yet everyone knows how desperate they were to get a black successful driver. Go back and look at the 97 issue of f1 racing when he was interviewed as a boy. I never implied at all,he got his drive because he was black. I imagine the funding he got was a opportunity seized but he still had talent and he won lots before f1.

Wolff has won nothing. Never been fastest and never had a pole. Same as danica Patrick. No way at all do I think he got a drive in f1 because he was black and he certainly wouldn't have kept it because he was black if he had zero talent.
 
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