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Poll: German Grand Prix 2019, Hockenheim - Race 11/21

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Shimmy, Jul 23, 2019.

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Rate the 2019 German Grand Prix out of ten

Poll closed Aug 11, 2019.
  1. 1

    0.7%
  2. 2

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. 3

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. 4

    1.3%
  5. 5

    2.0%
  6. 6

    3.9%
  7. 7

    5.9%
  8. 8

    14.5%
  9. 9

    38.8%
  10. 10

    32.9%
  1. EVH

    Don

    Joined: Mar 11, 2004

    Posts: 26,791

    I can’t wait to see the Toto fist slam :D
     
  2. Lakeland

    Soldato

    Joined: Nov 1, 2005

    Posts: 5,174

    Ouch, I’m sure the reason they didn’t do it the first time was to stop exactly this being caught on camera!
     
  3. CaptainRAVE

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Nov 21, 2004

    Posts: 31,346

    Wait, the new classification has Hamilton finishing 9th. Lol. Crazy race still delivering :D. So he actually extends his lead! It also preserves his now 23 point scoring record race streak.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/points-for-hamilton-and-kubica-alfas-demoted/

    Apologies if already posted.

    Saw this posted online, can’t help but agree:

     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2019
  4. jonneymendoza

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 7, 2008

    Posts: 14,874

    It diddnt rain in Silverstone yet was probably the best dry race in the last 6 years
     
  5. LEUVEN

    Hitman

    Joined: Apr 18, 2004

    Posts: 977

    Location: North West

    I agree, it wasn't a good race, just lots of incidents, excitement, mishaps, mistakes etc.
    At least it was better than the races that have been bore fests we've had this year, so will take it over them.

    I know Grosjean is a liability and I don't rate him but Magnussen didn't even attempt to reach the apex when going into the hairpin.
    Maybe Rosberg had given him some lessons. (He admitted he ran Verstappen off the track because he'd annoyed him)
     
  6. antijoke

    Caporegime

    Joined: Jan 28, 2003

    Posts: 37,628

    Location: Stratford-Upon-Avon

    10/10

    That was fantastic, absolutely crazy race.

    BS, he has to stick to the rules, if it’s that bad he could endanger other drivers with damage then you retire. It wasn’t that bad and he could’ve driven round the track.
     
  7. BlizzardX

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Oct 19, 2002

    Posts: 2,217

    Location: Auckland, New Zealand

    To be fair Hamilton also saved himself a ton of time driving around a damp track without a nose that would take a very long time to get to the pits... Compared to that, what he did, even with the 5s penalty, was the best option.
     
  8. slipperydave

    Gangster

    Joined: Apr 30, 2006

    Posts: 291

    Location: Derby

    thoroughly enjoyable, not enjoyed an F1 race like that for a long time (well, at least 2 weeks). watched the whole race on Sky then watched the infinitely better presentation on Channel 4 for the highlights.
     
  9. mattx2

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jul 21, 2005

    Posts: 1,135

    Location: New York

    So Hamilton crashed, had a 50 second pit-stop, a five second penalty, spun off again to finish out of the top 10 and still ends up increasing his championship lead maybe he really is #blessed
     
  10. 413x

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jan 13, 2010

    Posts: 16,225

    Location: Cardiff

    Gutted
    Can't believe the hulk binned it. Probably a podium place lost.

    Drivers who may have lost their drives
    Bottas
    Hulkenburg
    Gasly (about time)

    Big race good and bad for many drivers
     
  11. Rossi~

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 5, 2010

    Posts: 19,136

    Indeed. Hamilton made the better choice, risking 5 second penalty and the mess in the box sorting it out. It would definitely have been better than going around slow with half a nose, which could have caused more damaged if the rest came off and also the risk of crashing.
     
  12. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 11,640

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    I don’t have a problem with the penalty for Hamilton. The rule is there for a reason, and will penalise a driver for making a later than normal decision to pit. He was still better off after the penalty as taken into account, even with the pit box fiasco.

    The one I really have a problem with was the fine for Ferrari following the unsafe release of Leclerc. As annoying and irritating that I find David Croft, he was spot on. It sends a message to teams that there’s no race penalty for an unsafe release, and therefore it is just another cost of racing. That’s very, very wrong.
     
  13. Malt_Vinegar

    Underboss

    Joined: Oct 20, 2002

    Posts: 14,952

    Location: In a house


    Agreed. but then I would be interested to see what data they get when working out unsafe releases. I did however get the feeling that was a "don't hurt the show" lip-service penalty.
     
  14. Rossi~

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 5, 2010

    Posts: 19,136

    Indeed. Though it's not the driver's mistake or fault, so seems almost unfair to give the driver a penalty. Especially given the circumstances of the pit at the time. But I don't see any other way, so would just suck for the driver.
     
  15. Terminal_Boy

    Soldato

    Joined: Apr 13, 2013

    Posts: 6,876

    Location: La France

    I suspect both the current Haas drivers could be sitting at home next years. Hulkenburg would be a good fit into Haas. Cool-headed and reliable. Potential podium finisher with a decent car under him. Stick Ocon in the other Haas for a year to keep him sharp. Win for all concerned.

    I think Bottas will keep his seat for 2020. Good wingman for Hamilton and very consistent point scoring driver.
     
  16. an0nym0us

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Apr 15, 2019

    Posts: 1,120

    Sounds like a recipe for a great episode, looking forward to it!

    Crazy race, but highly entertaining.
     
  17. Steampunk

    Soldato

    Joined: Jun 1, 2013

    Posts: 6,499

    The driver is part of the team, so they win, lose and get the penalties together. The driver is still driving the car, and a drive through for unsafe release is to punish the whole team.
     
  18. 4K8KW10

    Soldato

    Joined: Sep 2, 2017

    Posts: 6,612

    The team fine was a very good decision by the stewards. All the responsibility must be taken by the managers for their bad decisions. They must learn not to ruin their driver's races.
    They must pay, the innocent driver must be let compete on equal basis.
     
  19. Mr Jack

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 19, 2004

    Posts: 17,107

    Location: Kiel, Germany

    I think common sense should prevail in these circumstances. He was recovering from an incident.

    Totally agree. Weekend after weekend we see dangerous incidents in the pit go unpunished or without real punishment. One day there will be a big accident in the pits.
     
  20. CaptainRAVE

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Nov 21, 2004

    Posts: 31,346

    Yes, a 5000 euro fine is going to send a fantastic message to ferrari and every other team. A time penalty or drive through on the other hand...

    It is crazy if you think about it. They are ultra cautious with the safety car, yet dozens of mechanics and a long line of cars darting in and out of the pits, nope. One of these days it is going to go very very wrong.

    Based on the current precedent though, I’d send my driver out, gain the place and take the penalty.