100% agree. Legalise and regulate everything.
Reduces the criminal element, makes it safer for end users and creates a tax revenue that can be used for treatment amongst other things.
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100% agree. Legalise and regulate everything.
Reduces the criminal element, makes it safer for end users and creates a tax revenue that can be used for treatment amongst other things.
your pointless low IQ comparisons comparing stoners to alcoholics. POINTLESS
Next this guy will be telling us the horrors of reefer madness and how stoners are turning up in A&E every weekend, or beating the crap out of people because they glanced at them
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Soldato
It wasn't pointless at all, try reading the thread. Someone claimed it couldn't have cognitive impairment because XYZ person smokes it. I said it has been proven by research to lower IQ and the comparison to alcohol also has a point because a lot of people's view point in this thread has been "might as well legalise it if we allow alcohol".
Soldato
So long as the growers have good extraction with plenty of carbon filtration, I don't mind.
Weed absolutely stinks, when it's being grown or smoked.
Mind you, I wasn't too bothered when I used to partake, but now I hate the smell.
Weed absolutely stinks, when it's being grown or smoked.
Mind you, I wasn't too bothered when I used to partake, but now I hate the smell.
Soldato
I guarantee you know alcoholics. Many are very good at hiding their addiction.
One of the great benefits of legalising it is it can be regulated. You'll have stores where products can be sold by their THC strength, so people will then know exactly what they are buying and what kind of stoned they will get. Many people want a very mind stoned but most of the weed sold now is this uber strong knock your socks off strains. Weed can be great for treating many medical problems, it is great for pain relief, insomnia, to help with the adverse effects of some cancer treatments, the list goes on and on.
Comparing it to crack is laughable. You sound like my parents in 1986 when I was 16 comparing it to heroin.
There is absolutely an argument for legalising all drugs, not suggesting selling crack in stores but making class A drugs available on prescription. Again removing it from criminal gangs. Quality control, a mate died from a heroin overdone in 1996 because what he bought was much stronger that what he was used to, most overdoses/deaths are from this exact problem. By getting it on prescription they are in the health system making it easier for treatment to make contact and work with them. And finally you remove the need for them to commit crime to pay for their addiction.
The war on drugs was lost decades ago.
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study by who and funded by who? was it the tobacco companies again? no doubt they will soon be changing their minds when vaping goes out of fashion and lobbying for legal cannabis to they can still flog something
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I'm the same the smell makes me queasy even tho I used partake tho saying that I hate the smell of cigarettes and to a lesser extant Ecigs . While in Amsterdam last NYE I had a couple of joints purely for medicinal researchSo long as the growers have good extraction with plenty of carbon filtration, I don't mind.
Weed absolutely stinks, when it's being grown or smoked.
(tho I'm waiting for 2 new hips) , you never seem to get the same stinky pungent smell in Amsterdam vs say a Saturday afternoon in Liverpool center . Just legalise it and and control it and the added advantage of a another tax income for state
There's a reason for that and it comes down to it being illegal. A certain dog in the stars grows fast with big yields so gangs tend to focus on growing this particular strain. My partner who doesn't smoke has put a ban of that strain in the house because the smell of it being smoked is so strong/offensive.
Another argument for legalisation if you ask me!
Soldato
My point about crack is you could apply the too simple logic of "we can tax it and get income" to any drug. What I'm saying and it seems people aren't willing to acknowledge, is there are societal impacts to consider with legalising cannabis. I've posted figures showing how drug driving is a more significant issue than drink driving in terms of absolutely cases, with a 44% re-offend rate, and a majority proportion of weed users think it's okay to drive whilst stoned.
Essentially, weed has always (incorrectly in my opinion) been seen as a harmless drug.
Not that providing you the research to read yourself will help, you're clearly wanting to be cynical about any data that doesn't agree with your stance. Why would tobacco companies lobby against weed? It's not substitutional for tobacco, it's often used to cut with weed, especially when in resin form.
Long-Term Cannabis Use and Cognitive Reserves and Hippocampal Volume in Midlife | American Journal of Psychiatry
Objective: Cannabis use is increasing among midlife and older adults. This study tested the hypotheses that long-term cannabis use is associated with cognitive deficits and smaller hippocampal volume in midlife, which is important because midlife cognitive deficits and smaller hippocampal volume...
ajp.psychiatryonline.org
There are literally several studies from different, credible sources that say weed damages cognitive ability.
University of Montreal
Cannabis 'more harmful than alcohol' for teen brains
The drug impairs working memory and reasoning and there are long-term effects, a study suggests.
www.bbc.co.uk
Doctorates from Royal College of Psychiatrists, University College London etc
Cannabis: What are the risks of recreational use?
The government has dismissed calls to legalise cannabis for recreational use. What are the drug's risks?
www.bbc.co.uk
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no, you posted an opinion piece on that drug driving is on the rise.
evidence for that please.
There is many other societal impacts, mainly in the negatives for the use of alcohol, so why is this allowed?
Tons of people enjoy a smoke without the need to drink/drug drive, have a fight, be loud and aggressive, beat their partner etc etc. Why do you focus on the "ifs" of weed, but happy to accept the reality of drink?
Caporegime
All rather disappointing scaled back from the original, more sensible, plans. Still a nice step in the right direction.
Soldato
No, I posted information from a police report, not an opinion piece.
On there being more cases than drink driving
Relating to it being on the rise
I already said where it was from, it's from the Guardian - which in fairness is quoting US respondents but see above about the 44% repeat rate
Half of cannabis users think they can drive safely while high – are they right?
It’s been several years since recreational cannabis was made legal in some US states. What effect has it had on road safety?
www.theguardian.com
Where did I say I'm happy to accept the downsides of drink? Alcohol supply and consumption is already legal (if licensed to supply), we're discussing the merits and negatives of changing the legal status of weed. I'm just pointing out the downsides that come with weed today when illegal, and despite what D.P thinks, I don't think it's an inaccurate assumption to make that there would be an increase in usage if it wasn't criminalised and more readily available.
Soldato
Sounds like the current rules don’t work very well then.
No people can still get hold of it if they want. I don’t know how hard that is as I’ve never dealt with a drug dealer.
So they may as well bin it off and try something new.
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Junkie junker !
Got no problem with people using it for medicinal reasons, nor do I have any problem with people I know who use it recreationally, its their choice. I don’t smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either which is undeniably better for my health.