"Getting the back end out"

helpimcrap · 12 Nov 2009 at 18:33

*sulks* thought this was a bike thread and was going to indulge in some of my pub 'i'm a god at bikes and can do it standing up etc' banter. lol

aayzof · 12 Nov 2009 at 19:02

why on earth would someone want to "get the back end out"? this is england, not some tacky tokyo drag strip.

ZG002 · 12 Nov 2009 at 19:05

Because it is fun...

Also since when was a "DRAG strip" used for drifting. Go away and get a clue.

Thomas. PLease. · 12 Nov 2009 at 19:12

ZG002 said:
Because it is fun...

Also since when was a "DRAG strip" used for drifting. Go away and get a clue.

exactly its fun. Lol at the other bit.

mrk · 12 Nov 2009 at 19:48

InvaderGIR said:
I'd say it's a power problem mostly for him.

I could happily kick the rear out on the e36, come up to a corner too fast, dump a gear, turn in, hard, power on, correct steering.

Done it on 90's on on 180 corners too.

The e36 though is well designed for it, it's smooth, progressive and easy to sort.

Nobody would ever do that in a 200SX...

Did your 328 have an LSD?

Moose on PH says in one thread:

caboosemoose said:
LSD was available on the 325. It was also fitted to early 328i Sports, but replaced with traction control some time in 96. If you're looking at a Sport that has TC, then it does NOT have an LSD. An LSD was not available as an option on non-Sport 328s.

I think jacking up a rear wheel is the easiest way to know what you are getting. LSDs are pretty rare on the E36.

Thomas. PLease. · 12 Nov 2009 at 19:54

iirc invader's 328 wasn't a sport so wouldnt have had an lsd?

Having an lsd isnt the be all and end all of having a slide about, just makes it much easier to maintain the slide, than an open diff.

Berger · 12 Nov 2009 at 20:07

My first experience was a Sierra, I crashed it, too much lock panicing and couldnt take it off.

Since then have done it a few times in the flatbed vans at work accidentally, loads of diesel torque that comes in all at once and no weight on the back makes them spin the tires up quite easily.

MarkLP · 12 Nov 2009 at 20:16

Echo what most people have said really.

Sounds wierd but grip is needed, you'd think you need less grip but you don't.

have a look over on Driftworks for some more info

Begbie · 12 Nov 2009 at 21:57

K1LLSW1TCH said:
If you can't get a RWD car to drift even around a roundabout in the wet then you fail at driving. I'm by no means an amazing driver and I'm not claiming to be, but even I've managed a power slide in a front wheel drive car, in the wet, around a roundabout.

Thats lift off oversteer! Not powersliding!

Happened to me the other week, still fun

InvaderGIR · 12 Nov 2009 at 22:54

mrk said:
Did your 328 have an LSD?

Nope, standard diff, car was an early SE.

Thomas. PLease. said:
iirc invader's 328 wasn't a sport so wouldnt have had an lsd?

Having an lsd isnt the be all and end all of having a slide about, just makes it much easier to maintain the slide, than an open diff.

Spot on.

Keeping it out required feathering the throttle at high rpms, it was still happy to do it without an LSD. I'd put a lot of power down though when doing it.

The tyres that came on the car let it go easily, the Eagle F1s I put on it didn't want to let go easily and would snap the grip back quite hard, but so long as I knew that, it was fine.

Giddy · 12 Nov 2009 at 23:28

Its about that time of year again

Dolph · 12 Nov 2009 at 23:30

The trick to getting the back end of any car to slide is weight transfer. You have to get the weight to shift correctly as well as get the power down (in a RWD car) in order to get the back end to slide.

mrk · 12 Nov 2009 at 23:31

Is that a Bugatti Veyron?

whitecrook · 12 Nov 2009 at 23:33

that tokyo drift dude practically enters the corner backwards! lol

Thomas. PLease. · 12 Nov 2009 at 23:36

Giddy said:
Its about that time of year again

oow, I want an lsd!

mjt · 12 Nov 2009 at 23:38

your reverse lights aren't working mate

Clarkey · 13 Nov 2009 at 01:19

Thomas. PLease. said:
oow, I want an lsd!

weld it! this is the answer for anyone with an open diff.

Scania · 13 Nov 2009 at 04:40

[TW]Fox;15302487 said:
The reason its hard in yours is because it's massively overtyred (Most BMW's are) really, although the lack of power doesn't help.

True enough.

My old 728i was like the proverbial on a blanket in the wet or dry, TC, relatively low power to weight ratio and uber size tyres did the trick there for sure.

My 328i has much smaller tyres & less weight than the 728i & no TC, its a hoot when you want the back end out and a pain in the arse when you simply want to get from a to b relatively quickly in anything other than dry conditions.....

On the other hand, my truck will spin its wheels like mad in the wet (assuming the TC is off) yet its BHP per ton ratio - when running @ 44tons - is something absurd like 9.5BHP per ton!!!

Thomas. PLease. said:
oow, I want an lsd!

I like the roundabout going backwards bit, that must have taken ages to perfect....

Kingy · 13 Nov 2009 at 06:17

helpimcrap said:
*sulks* thought this was a bike thread and was going to indulge in some of my pub 'i'm a god at bikes and can do it standing up etc' banter. lol

That's awesome... No-one should have that much balance... :cool:

Freefaller · 13 Nov 2009 at 08:04

It's great fun to do. But I'd never do it on a public road ever.

Lopez had a good go in my MX5 and I think some of the slides were done with one hand!

It's about balance of the steering wheel and throttle inputs... a bit like when you learn to drive and get the accelerator/clutch ratio/balance. It's just balance.