Girl killed by pit bull terrier

I bet that dog wasn't even an american pitbull terrier.

In fact, I would bet that nearly nobody in this thread would know what an american pitbull terrier actually looks like. People see badly bred staffie crosses and immediately shout "pitbull!". True pitbulls are extremely rare in this country, and are generally secretly kept by people who are into pit fighting.

You actually get people who still believe they can lock their jaws, randomly turn on their owners for no reason at any point in their lives, and have the hardest bite of any dog breed.

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That is a pure, game bred fighting pitbull, the likes of which you don't see in this country. They are just not about. They actually make fantastic pets, and do very well in temperament tests, better than most other dog breeds. The ignorance of some people is worrying, but expected.
 
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^^ You are right mate : Phykell
My knee jerk reaction again :p Just don't come and take my pet.

As far as i am concerned you cannot put Staffys in the same category as Pit Bulls. I have known Pit bulls back when they were legal and they are a breed apart form any other dog i have met.
I can remember 3 different Pit Bulls and all were extreme to say the least. All lived with my mates kids/wife. None of them ever got aggresive with the kids or wives but the potential was Definetly there.
Staffys even though they can lose it are still a dog of around 35-40 pound in weight and can be quite easily kicked across a room if the need arose.
Pit bulls on the other hand are around 70-90 pounds of Pure muscle and could Easily trap a human and then obviously kill it.
My mate Adams Pit was the most awesome dog i have ever met, a Red and had an air about it of sheer Demonic power. The kin thing was evil and just sitting in the same room was intimidating. It ended up hanging itself going mental in its pen one night. We was all gutted i can tell you but they are animals in every sense of the word.
My mate Andys bitch had a litter of pups about 6 of them, Andy came down in the morning and she had eaten every single one of them. Not a single trace anywhere. This was the bitch i took to get chipped etc a lovely soft bitch you would have never thought it.


Anyways Staffs are mellow human lovers leave them alone :)
 
Oh yeah, whoever said his pitbull was 9-10 stone of pure muscle, he must have been a freakish sized / cross bred one, seeing as they generally weigh between 30lbs - 60 lbs, not 140lbs.
 
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Depth said:
In fact, I would bet that nearly nobody in this thread would know what an american pitbull terrier actually looks like.
They actually make fantastic pets, and do very well in temperament tests, better than most other dog breeds. The ignorance of some people is worrying, but expected.
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O the ironing :p

Mate some of us on here are old enouth to have been about when they were legal and quite frequent.
 
malc30 said:
^^ You are right mate : Phykell
My knee jerk reaction again :p Just don't come and take my pet.

As far as i am concerned you cannot put Staffys in the same category as Pit Bulls. I have known Pit bulls back when they were legal and they are a breed apart form any other dog i have met.
I can remember 3 different Pit Bulls and all were extreme to say the least. All lived with my mates kids/wife. None of them ever got aggresive with the kids or wives but the potential was Definetly there.
Staffys even though they can lose it are still a dog of around 35-40 pound in weight and can be quite easily kicked across a room if the need arose.
Pit bulls on the other hand are around 70-90 pounds of Pure muscle and could Easily trap a human and then obviously kill it.
My mate Adams Pit was the most awesome dog i have ever met, a Red and had an air about it of sheer Demonic power. The kin thing was evil and just sitting in the same room was intimidating. It ended up hanging itself going mental in its pen one night. We was all gutted i can tell you but they are animals in every sense of the word.
My mate Andys bitch had a litter of pups about 6 of them, Andy came down in the morning and she had eaten every single one of them. Not a single trace anywhere. This was the bitch i took to get chipped etc a lovely soft bitch you would have never thought it.


Anyways Staffs are mellow human lovers leave them alone :)
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Staffordshire bull terriers are every bit the fighting dog the pitbull is. Infact, pitt bulls and staffs are essentially the same dog, there is very little difference between them, as they share the same ancestry. Don't take my word for it, look it up.

Both are strong, athletic and high energy animals, and many staffs look exactly like pure bred pitts, and vice versa. The problem is owners who buy a dog as some form of penis extension. I could buy a labrador and raise it to be a vicious man biter if I wished.
 
malc30 said:
O the ironing :p

Mate some of us on here are old enouth to have been about when they were legal and quite frequent.
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Right, and that means you know anything about them because....?
 
malc30 said:
If you read ALL my posts i won't have to repeat myself.
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Ok, read them. You have some personal experience with pitbulls. I have as well, and know a lot about them, as I find them fascinating animals. Enough to know that pure American pitbull terriers are often barely any larger (and often smaller) than Staffies.

And that they are very similar dogs, both bred for pit fighting.
 
Any Pit bull i have met personally has been at least 60 pound and are built like the pic you posted.
I agree that back in the day they were both Pitt dogs but Staffs have been domesticated for a long long time now. This is not quite the case with Pitts as you yourself say they are kept in this country illegally for Pitt work.
Of course there are some deranged people that will continue to Pit Staffs but with Pitts being the bigger better dog most looneys will opt for a Pitt.
With Staffs now a show class the majority of Staffs on the street are many many generations away from a related Pit dog.

I do know where you are coming from thouugh mate and respect your passion for the breed :cool:
 
Horrible horrible incident...



I know its wrong but im less sympathetic because of the absolutely disgusting media sensationalism...Ive actually been watching youtube videos of people taunting their animals into attacking on my local news..

Why on earth is a 5 year old child awake at almost 4am on new years eve? Fireworks were going off all night here...I remember when my dogs were alive, theyd get scared as hell and really skittish when the fireworks were going off all night...What kind of moron puts a kid in with dogs in that kind of situation..
 
Just seen on the news that it Was a Pit Bull "type" Dog and the owner will be prsecuted for having the dog and for what the dog done.


Tragic story the pics of the little girl are heartbreaking she was gorgeous.
R.I.P.
 
Depth said:
Ok, read them. You have some personal experience with pitbulls. I have as well, and know a lot about them, as I find them fascinating animals. Enough to know that pure American pitbull terriers are often barely any larger (and often smaller) than Staffies.

And that they are very similar dogs, both bred for pit fighting.
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I find it very disturbing that a person could breed dogs specifically for pit-fighting. What a disgustingly cruel and barbaric "sport" that must be; the people who enjoy it must be really sadistic.
 
I also dont buy into the whole pitbull types being more dangerous than other dogs...I believe the only reason pitbulls are so focused on is because when they do bite someone, its usually a very serious thing so its reported and often requires hospital treatment..

I was bitten by dogs several times in my youth...one of my own dogs bit 2 people...Nobody reported this because it wasnt serious...They were usually small dogs and they didnt go mental, it was just a bite.. :dunno:

Maybe times have changed but i suspect not....Pits and those dogs deemed as dangerous do more damage so they are more often reported..
 
Totally sick mate if you ask me. I cannot stand the noise they make when fighting it makes me cringe and thats just two old mutts in the park.
How anyone could bring a dog up to put it in a Pit is beyond me.
I've been sicker than a dog since boxing day and in a lot of pain but i still took my Frank over the vets today. He has a little spot come up that don't look right and my last one developed a few lumps its common with Staffs :(
So we are both on Anti B's at the mo all sick noted up :p
 
malc30 said:
Any Pit bull i have met personally has been at least 60 pound and are built like the pic you posted.
I agree that back in the day they were both Pitt dogs but Staffs have been domesticated for a long long time now. This is not quite the case with Pitts as you yourself say they are kept in this country illegally for Pitt work.
Of course there are some deranged people that will continue to Pit Staffs but with Pitts being the bigger better dog most looneys will opt for a Pitt.
With Staffs now a show class the majority of Staffs on the street are many many generations away from a related Pit dog.

I do know where you are coming from thouugh mate and respect your passion for the breed :cool:
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Thats cool mate :cool:

And you have a good point about Staffs being far more bred for show / family pets these days, and pure bred pitts still used more as working dogs, thus giving them different temperaments to an extent. The american staffordshire terrier is the show version of the pitt, and they do behave quite differently. Staffs are gorgeous dogs and I actually prefer them to pitts, I just hope people don't start grouping the two together and we see another breed banned :(
 
phykell said:
I find it very disturbing that a person could breed dogs specifically for pit-fighting. What a disgustingly cruel and barbaric "sport" that must be; the people who enjoy it must be really sadistic.
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Yep, it's absolutely disgusting what some people are involved in, but unfortunately there is big money in it and it won't stop anytime soon :(
 
I've read this thread with interest and also listened to the debate amongst my workmates which this terrible event has sparked.

Once again pure bred Staffordshires are being confused with Pitbull 'type' crossbreeds. I've been around Staffs all my life and have had experience with American Pitbulls (before the dangerous breeds legislation came into play) and any Pitbulls around now are most definitely illegally kept.

Different dogs, but I suppose very similar to the untrained eye.

As the other Staff owners have said, they are excellent dogs around people and in particular kids (this is acknowledged by the Kennel Club Breed Standard: "Characteristics, Traditionally of indomitable courage and tenacity. Highly intelligent and affectionate especially with children. Temperament, Bold, fearless and totally reliable"), however, as with any dog whatever the breed, they should never ever be left unsupervised around youngsters.

Of the many Staffies I have had the pleasure of owning, none have shown any unprovoked aggression toward people or other dogs. I always keep my dogs under control as experience has shown that other dogs or their owners can often cause problems. I despair when I see these so called chavs with a badly trained Staff, pedigree or cross. Without the proper control (owners need training properly too!) the potential for things to turn nasty is evident.

Basically, my heart goes out to little Ellies family. We don't know the full facts yet, but please don't tar Staffordshires with the 'Pitbull' aggressive dog brush.

Below, this is Jake, 3 years old come May:

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Depth said:
Oh yeah, whoever said his pitbull was 9-10 stone of pure muscle, he must have been a freakish sized / cross bred one, seeing as they generally weigh between 30lbs - 60 lbs, not 140lbs.
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That was me, I was about 7years old when we had them, so tbh they could have been/probably were far less, I wasnt good at guessing size back then :p either way they were bloody heavy.
 
FrostedNipple said:
Two previous complaints had been made about the pet, which belonged to Ellie's uncle.

acording to the bbc

so all previous claims about it not hurting a flie are down the drain!!!!

sorry, forgot to tell you i was talking aboui tthat dog
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6226565.stm
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Since it just mauled a child i don't think anyone is claiming it would not hurt a fly :P Clearly it would!

What people are claiming is if the owner takes proper care of the dog they can be harmless. Though on saying that any competent owner would not leave a dog unsupervised near a child. Kids like to make a noise, tug and pull so its never really safe even with the best of dogs.

[speculation] Sounds like this dog liked to bark at people - hence the complaints. Thats a good sign it was not given enough exercise/looked after properly. Though there are plenty of other reasons for a barking dog.
 
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