Caporegime
Who was Minusorange before the name change?
Curious too. Kwerk?
GJ anti-vaxxers?!
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Curious too. Kwerk?
It's hilarious though when you talk about quality of life dropping for the "average" person when you actually mean "quality if life dropping for my incredibly privledged elite 1% self"
As quality of life for the average person is **** poor.
If you want to reduce population growth then you need to sacrifice some of your quality of life to raise thiers
If you mean places like Africa, we've been trying for decades. What happens is they get aid and infrastructure for the number of people they have at the time, then they all go and have 8 kids. Then the problem pops up again, and again. We get the sob stories and the crying kid videos but no one is telling them to live within their means. At some point the west is going to need to feed itself and won't have extra food to ship to them.
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No I dont mean Africa I mean pretty much everywhere outside of the few developed nations.
See the thing your saying there they then go on to have 8 kids etc is because thier quality of life is poor thier education is poor thier healthcare e is poor.
I didn't say give them food I said raise thier quality of life.
As a nation advances its birth rate drops in most developed nations cases below maintainence so the population actually starts reducing.
But in order to do that for your example Africa we'd have to be sacrificing tens of trillions not millions
If you raised the gpd per capita of Africa to the the same as the UK that would translate to nearly 50 trillion a year.
But they needed to be left to develop on their own. We did a lot of damage by trying to help tbh. It screwed with the natural progression. Populations boomed beyond what they can sustain and now they rely on the developed world for everything.
They won't develop on thier own though.
They developed as they could which was into nomadic tribes.
There's pretty much no domesticatable animals there so they never got cities or farming etc same for native americans
They either need to leave as our ancestors did or be kept ahead by technology.
Are you literally joking?
It was a maniacal landscape to progress in, our ancestors migrated because it could not sustain us among other more human problems i'm sure existed thousands of years ago, hell the Sahara is a permanent desert because of our animal husbandry advances not entirely account for it's stress on the local landscape.
The rest was filled with vicious animals and tormenting jungle... while us glorious of temperate Europeans had mild issues with a few bears, boars and wolves... oh no woe is us. Backwards nostalgic cultural identity is self-imposed in such a dangerous landscape, because survival was literally all that mattered.
Ignoring our effect on them because it's too wide a subject, it's entirely wrong to say that they needed to evolve on their own... they did... they practically stopped in comparison to everything else going on in the world. It is entirely justified to uplift your fellow kin, because their life will be justifiably improved, perhaps the culture is lost because they don't need to birth 14 kids to make sure half survive (protip - birth rates are falling everywhere), it's a bit sad but **** it, some culture needs to end for any serious movement forward.
That said it's still unfortunate that we've basically failed equatorial Africa in the sense that massive food shipments were not indeed the solution, as it fueled conflict and some of it never made it outside of the warlords/dictators walls, it was still justified, but it really should have been more closely followed by a birth control system. Of course a lot of African's see birth control with contempt as a lot of them are deeply religious, the only solutions is frankly to continue what we're doing now as the birth rate will stop being an issue at some point.
The biggest problem is ultimately Africa's desire to be industrious (deservedly so), hopefully it can be entirely because of green energy, but i doubt it.
Do you ever think about anything you post or do you just hammer out whatever drivel pops in to your mind instantly? I'm not even trying to be a dick here, you seem like a decent enough chap but honestly most of the stuff you post seems to be more out of a will to be a part of a conversation rather than to actually contribute anything meaningful towards it, hence why it comes across as just the most random, ignorant tripe generally seen on these boards. You do it in motors too, people have mentioned it numerous times and yet it doesn't seem to sink in. Why?
While it would be great if we could vaccinate every child, the fact that MMR contains what we call "live vaccines" (something of a misnomer considering that viruses aren't alive) means that we can't give them to individuals who are immunosuppressed or immunocompromised. This is why herd immunity is so important - the more people who can have the vaccine that receive the vaccine, the more difficult it is for the virus
to spread through a population and potentially reach those who are unable to receive the vaccine.
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37 have died this year already.
The issue is the trends.
I have absolutely no faith in a herd of people, none. They will follow social media, they will follow it faster than anything else.
It used to be very small numbers, it is not anymore, despite education.
Vaccination of the base childhood illnesses should be enforced if people wish to avail of any public services in their future life.
Then the numbers will drop.
5k measles cases , the next year 27k, the next 80k, these figures are worryingly exponential.
Action needs to be taken.
Removing laws will grand vaccination is not the way.
It is complete madness.
When the babies at a few months old, who are too young to be vaccinated start dying, and making front pages, then the herd might social media swing the other way, but I would rather not see expensive preventatble deaths.
At St. George's we had to run a trial of vaccinating pregnant women with the pertussis vaccine because we had too many babies catching Bordatella pertussis (whooping cough) before they were old enough to receive the vaccine themselves. The idea was that passive immunity (trans-placental transfer of antibodies from pregnant woman to foetus) would hopefully protect the newborns until they were old enough to receive the vaccine. Vaccine uptake locally had been dropping over the past few years because of "safety fears" amongst the local population. Unfortunately it appeared that the women who agreed to take part in the trial were planning on vaccinating their child anyway, while those who didn't want to take part had no plan to vaccinate their child. We still have a lot of work to do to re-educate the public about the benefits of vaccinating children, and undo the damage done by Wakefield.
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That is what I mean yes.
If you interpret average as 'mean' then I maintain that QOL for humans as a whole will definitely reduce with higher populations. If you look at the median person's QOL, you still can't argue it would increase with more population, which means it would result in a lower QOL.
Not sure what you mean by the last sentence, to reduce population growth I need to do something myself to help out those less well off? Do I need to become a sterilising missionary or something?
If they stopped progressing then that is how it is. We tried to make them like us and the knowledge the Africans used to live off the land was slowly lost.
When the Romans colonized and then abandoned Britain there was a similar effect. When they left we went backwards 100s of years. We had no idea how to engineer things like they did and had to re-invent everything almost from scratch.
But yes it's a shame. If Africa pulled together like Europe (sort of) does they could be the richest continent on Earth. But they won't.
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Aye there is some famtastic work in many places, but as you clearly state, reeducation might help, but I think it will take a social media event that actually reeducates the muppets in the end.
We are far too tolerant of ignorant and ridicluous views, and unfortunately an idiot on facebook or youtube is just as loud, if not louder than the learned person.
Before social media everyone knew who the village idiot was, now the seem to model their arse surgery upon such beings.
Madness.
Oh look, Russians involved in spreading the anti-vaccine discord across social media as well..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45294192
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45294192