GJ anti-vaxxers?!

StriderX said:
If we will it we can desalinate the entire ocean if we want, that's infinite water if recycled. and for Crops... Vertical hydrofarms wont be too far away in the future, and for all things mineral related, we aren't entirely too far away from strip mining asteroids if we seriously wanted to.
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Like I said our own arrogance and ignorance will kill us

Just what do you think will happen to already fragile ecosystems if we desalinate all the oceans to quench our first ?

Those hydro farms will require energy and building space, yet more potential effect on ecosystems and climate

And dicking around with removing celestial objects in space, I'm not sure that's such a good idea either

It's ironic you say I think in a tiny little box when you're making such asinine claims as above
 
Minusorange said:
The planet is supposedly only capable of sustaining a population of 10billion humans

By 2025 we'll be at 8billion
2100 we'll be at 11billion

The world needs some forms of natural population control (or a world war) otherwise there'll be far greater issues than little Jimmy on chemo dying from measles because Bev and Kev decided they didn't want their kids immunised

If we keep more people alive for longer we'll soon run out of resources to sustain everyone but the bleeding hearts who aren't capable of having their own responsibility and prefer to freely hand it off to government can't see the forest for the trees and are happy to lead people down far worse paths than the path they protest against
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StriderX said:
The planet can sustain an infinite number of people as long as we aren't dumb and consume too much as we happily do in the West, it's more about the density of people making it extraordinarily difficult for a social species such as our own to exist without climbing mental illness, as even though some people might disagree, the worth of every individual drops as soon as someone else is born above replacement.



Incredibly authoritarian view point, i won't even bother godwinning who thought similarly as a matter of policy. The fact is some people who dont survive might be physically weak, but may have traits or abilities far beyond the general populace, and letting them die because they aren't macho enough is sad and boring.
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Minusorange said:
Like I said our own arrogance and ignorance will kill us

Just what do you think will happen to already fragile ecosystems if we desalinate all the oceans to quench our first ?

Those hydro farms will require energy and building space, yet more potential effect on ecosystems and climate

And dicking around with removing celestial objects in space, I'm not sure that's such a good idea either

It's ironic you say I think in a tiny little box when you're making such asinine claims as above
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Its crazy isn't it that people buy this overpopulation myth....

The Earth is a COMPLETE biosphere which has its own intelligence. We would never reach the point of overpopulation as 'Nature' would step in to prevent this.
Instead MAN is running around saying there's too many HOOMINS WE MUST STOP HAVING BABIES OR LOOK FOR WAYS TO CULL THE HUMAN POPULATION.

You've all lost the plot. You are begging for your own death at the hands of your fellow man who want an easily MANAGEABLE, CONTROLLABLE population.
 
CosmicClown said:
Its crazy isn't it that people buy this overpopulation myth....

The Earth is a COMPLETE biosphere which has its own intelligence. We would never reach the point of overpopulation as 'Nature' would step in to prevent this.
Instead MAN is running around saying there's too many HOOMINS WE MUST STOP HAVING BABIES OR LOOK FOR WAYS TO CULL THE HUMAN POPULATION.

You've all lost the plot. You are begging for your own death at the hands of your fellow man who want an easily MANAGEABLE, CONTROLLABLE population.
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You understand that we are men? And for the quality of life of the average human to not drop drastically, it is in our interest to avoid overpopulating. Is that difficult to grasp?
 
CosmicClown said:
Its crazy isn't it that people buy this overpopulation myth....

The Earth is a COMPLETE biosphere which has its own intelligence. We would never reach the point of overpopulation as 'Nature' would step in to prevent this.
Instead MAN is running around saying there's too many HOOMINS WE MUST STOP HAVING BABIES OR LOOK FOR WAYS TO CULL THE HUMAN POPULATION.

You've all lost the plot. You are begging for your own death at the hands of your fellow man who want an easily MANAGEABLE, CONTROLLABLE population.
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It will trigger a mass extinction and everything will start all over again.
 
CosmicClown said:
Its crazy isn't it that people buy this overpopulation myth....

The Earth is a COMPLETE biosphere which has its own intelligence. We would never reach the point of overpopulation as 'Nature' would step in to prevent this.
Instead MAN is running around saying there's too many HOOMINS WE MUST STOP HAVING BABIES OR LOOK FOR WAYS TO CULL THE HUMAN POPULATION.

You've all lost the plot. You are begging for your own death at the hands of your fellow man who want an easily MANAGEABLE, CONTROLLABLE population.
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What a lunatic.
 
Minusorange said:
Like I said our own arrogance and ignorance will kill us

Just what do you think will happen to already fragile ecosystems if we desalinate all the oceans to quench our first ?

Those hydro farms will require energy and building space, yet more potential effect on ecosystems and climate

And dicking around with removing celestial objects in space, I'm not sure that's such a good idea either

It's ironic you say I think in a tiny little box when you're making such asinine claims as above
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Yes arrogance in thinking that things are fine (they aren't) and ignorance in not thinking at all is what will kill us, desalination is a viable solution to Water shortage regardless of population it is needed, the issue of mass desalinating is ultimately down to modeling and limits, again water is recyclable and it's not hard to resalinate (if that's even required).

Those Hydrofarms needing energy is entirely whatever, as they'll be far more efficient than clogging ecosystems with deadly chemicals and the water usage will be comparably tiny, with regards to space well, I dunno that's up for discussion. This is ignoring that we'll be free of dirty energy at some point in the next century.

And removing tiny gravitational blips in respect of what makes up 99% of the solar systems mass... it's entirely not even an issue and we'll need the resources for expansion and extra-solar missions that will require space built vehicles.

The biggest threat is staying on this ****** rock for eternity, we need to leave at some point.
 
IronWarrior said:
Selling drugs to vaccinate an entire country of children
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Dis86 said:
You don't vaccinate an entire country.
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I make this clear, babies are born every year and the first dose is taken in the first year and then a second dose at 4 to 6 years, so the babies born last year, will be taking it this year and those born now will be taking it next year and so on.
 
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IronWarrior said:
I make this clear, babies are born every year and the first dose is taken in the first year and then a second dose at 4 to 6 years, so the babies born last year, will be taking it this year and those born now will be taking it next year and so on.
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Sure, but lets look at the cost then.

It's currently £110 for the full two doses, assuming that every child is vaccinated, that's around 770000 or so, so while £77m is not a laughable figure, it's pretty mild for any pharmaceutical company, their biggest profits come from pain relief and new treatments, vaccines not so much. These companies remember run revenues in the tens of billions, so £34m in one year and another few years later is nothing.

If we farcically take it to the whole world, around 140 million babies, not sure how many survive mind you, but ignoring that, it's ~£54 billion or £27 billion a year.

I cant find who has rights to it though, so it might be spread out to multiple companies.
 
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StriderX said:
Sure, but lets look at the cost then.

It's currently £110 for the full two doses, assuming that every child is vaccinated, that's around 770000 or so, so while £77m is not a laughable figure, it's pretty mild for any pharmaceutical company, their biggest profits come from pain relief and new treatments, vaccines not so much. These companies remember run revenues in the tens of billions, so £34m in one year and another few years later is nothing.
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Not denying that, just saying it's a nice steady cash cow that flows to them every year and that's just for the MMR, there are others we get as babies and kids in school as we grow up, you should have one sign of that on your upper arm. :)
 
At the end of the day they're supplying vaccines that literally eradicate horrible deadly diseases for very affordable prices. If they consider it a cash cow then they're more than welcome to in my opinion. I'm infinitely more worried about anti-vaxxers than I am of what the pharma companies consider vaccines.
 
IronWarrior said:
We are vaccinating our entire countries worth of newborns every year, which according to our birth rate from 2016, is 774,835 babies.
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Yup and it’s pocket money level amounts as shown as above. Big pharma turnover tens of billions a year, immunisations aren’t where that is coming from.

The entire childhood vaccine schedule costs about £200 (may have changed since HPV/Bexsero came in). So let’s say a couple of hundred million a year. Pfizer’s annual turnover is 52 billion to put that into perspective. Taking a single drug through Phase I to III costs more than the entire UK vaccination program.

A year on Lipitor or a Gliptin used to be £400 plus and you’ll be on them for decades. These are by no means very costly drugs.

This is why vaccinations for malaria and HIV aren’t invested in by Pharma, there’s far more money in long term prophylaxis and treatment than vaccination.
 
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