Glasgow Airport-under attack

Ace of Spades · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:21

So whats likely to happen jail sentence here then deportation to point of origin?

Mr.Clark · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:22

Ace of Spades said:
Anyone think they'll be sent to guantanamo bay?

Er... no.

Yas786 · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:29

Ace of Spades said:
So whats likely to happen jail sentence here then deportation to point of origin?

Possibly or just straight deportation.

VIRII · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:30

Ace of Spades said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6258758.stm

Not born or bred but have lived for a period of time.

He should have taken the bet then

Ahh well another example of the benefits of immigration and how well immigrants integrate

IIRC all the bombers from 7/7, 21/7 and the 1000kg of fertiliser plot were homegrown.

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:30

Spawn said:
Possibly or just straight deportation.

Or we could do what we did with the Afghan hijackers a few years back. Let them stay here because it wouldn't be safe for them to go home :rolleyes:

VIRII · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:33

Spawn said:
Ha looks like you just lost £50 there seeing as they werent home grown terrorists.

Perhaps next time you will find out if they were home grown or not before actually putting your mouth on the line so to speak.

Would have had he taken the bet

I know muslims don't quite get the concept of gambling but it would not be a bet if I knew one way or the other if they were homegrown would it

That would be why I started the post with "I don't know for a fact if they are homegrown or not"......... I guess if Shackley had the courage of his convictions he'd have taken the bet. He didn't ....... I wonder why

VIRII · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:34

Spawn said:
Im sure you would enjoy such a task...i can see it now DD, CBS and Virii all shepherding these terrorists back to where they came from.

How do we send them back to Islam?

manoz · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:37

Spawn said:
Yes we can, u can be the one at the front prodding them with sticks to get them on the next boat back to where-ever they came from.

Im sure you would enjoy such a task...i can see it now DD, CBS and Virii all shepherding these terrorists back to where they came from.

That's not a bad idea but what happens when they get deported, get put in jail, get on with their lives, train even more in terrorist activities to prepare a worse attack?

VIRII · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:40

manoz said:
That's not a bad idea but what happens when they get deported, get put in jail, get on with their lives, train even more in terrorist activities to prepare a worse attack?

As long as we aren't the ones paying for a lifetimes E45 cream for the crispy one

Moley · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:42

VIRII said:
How do we send them back to Islam?

You don't. You put a bullet in their head and send them back to their god.

Yas786 · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:45

dirtydog said:
Or we could do what we did with the Afghan hijackers a few years back. Let them stay here because it wouldn't be safe for them to go home

Possibly, i cant comment but depends on where they came from originally.

Virii said:
Would have had he taken the bet
I know muslims don't quite get the concept of gambling but it would not be a bet if I knew one way or the other if they were homegrown would it
That would be why I started the post with "I don't know for a fact if they are homegrown or not"......... I guess if Shackley had the courage of his convictions he'd have taken the bet. He didn't ....... I wonder why

Probably because he wasnt around when you originally made the bet

so missed out.

manoz said:
That's not a bad idea but what happens when they get deported, get put in jail, get on with their lives, train even more in terrorist activities to prepare a worse attack?

Again i dont know tbh, what would happen??. Problem is that its easy to get into the UK so im sure they would be back at some point in the future unless they get killed back home or jailed indefinitely.

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:46

I was just reading a post on another forum from a security guard at Heathrow, and he reckons most of his colleagues are Asians who pray at work etc. - should we run the security risk of employing these people in such jobs?

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:47

Spawn said:
Possibly, i cant comment but depends on where they came from originally.

Afghanistan funnily enough

Mr.Clark · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:49

Why treat them any differently than any other criminals?

Try them under British law for attempted mass murder, and if found guilty, sentenced to life in prison. Here.

VIRII · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:51

Mr.Clark said:
Why treat them any differently than any other criminals?

Try them under British law for attempted mass murder, and if found guilty, sentenced to life in prison. Here.

Because our jails are full and it costs money.
Why not hang them instead.

Mr.Clark · 1 Jul 2007 at 14:55

You'd rather they were sent somewhere that we couldn't keep an eye on them and know that they weren't ever going to be released to go straight back to their mates?

We don't execute people in this country any more. It's called being civilised.

VIRII · 1 Jul 2007 at 15:00

Mr.Clark said:
You'd rather they were sent somewhere that we couldn't keep an eye on them and know that they weren't ever going to be released to go straight back to their mates?

We don't execute people in this country any more. It's called being civilised.

I did not say send them where we could not keep an eye on them, merely not in our jails. Guantanemo would be perfect. Very low cost accomodation and no frills.

I don't believe that not having a death penalty for instances such as this makes us more "civilised". I think it makes us mugs.

Mr.Clark · 1 Jul 2007 at 15:04

It proves that however low these criminals stoop, we won't descend to their level.

I see that as a positive thing about this country.

The same as when the tabloids start screaming for blood whenever there's a child molester making the papers.

Killing them won't help, it'll just mean that next time people will make extra sure they won't get caught, and for potential suicide bombers, it's not as if the threat of death is a deterrent anyway...

starscream · 1 Jul 2007 at 16:08

Mr.Clark said:
It proves that however low these criminals stoop, we won't descend to their level.

I see that as a positive thing about this country.

The same as when the tabloids start screaming for blood whenever there's a child molester making the papers.

Killing them won't help, it'll just mean that next time people will make extra sure they won't get caught, and for potential suicide bombers, it's not as if the threat of death is a deterrent anyway...

Indeed. If you recall when the failed 2005 suicide bombers were caught, they were dragged out of their homes very early in the morning half undressed, then tried, convicted and sentenced by our established legal system and will serve very long sentences in prison. To me, even putting aside the moral argument it seems a better deterrent to potential terrorists than having the perpetrators "Martyred" which in a fundementalists twisted logic will be seen as more glamorous.

Dolph · 1 Jul 2007 at 16:42

cleanbluesky said:
I don't even know how to answer that. Do you think that no behaviour is 'unbritish'? Do you think our society lives without norms?

Certainly we have norms, but currently religion isn't really one of them, as religion and britishness aren't really linked any more. If you went back a hundred years or more, you might be able to make an argument that not being christian meant you weren't british, but even then you'd struggle.

Currently, we live in a pretty much secular society with freedom of worship, hence I would not use someone's faith (or lack of it) to distinguish whether they are British or not.

Welcome to the cruel world.

EDIT: In retrospect, this post seems glib - it was written with a sense of frustration because I believe you are being obtuse.

Not intentionally obtuse, just realistic. It's not sensible to force one set of religious behaviour into a box when we don't do it with other sets, in fact it's largely ignored.