Glasgow Airport-under attack

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:29

Spawn said:
Forget the ones who havent integrated as i dont have much time for them myself. But what of the ones who have made every effort to integrate into British life but still carry on as muslims??. Should they be singled out for attacks and vile abuse??.

I already said none of them should be attacked. I do strongly question whether a 'Muslim' can make 'every effort' to integrate into British society and still be a Muslim. I don't believe that the two are simultaneously possible.

eg. if you go to a Mosque, you aren't integrating into British society. Normal British people don't go to Mosques do they. That's just one example.

Yas786 · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:30

dirtydog said:
These aliens cannot integrate while retaining their own culture - it is an oxymoron.

Our mass immigration and multiculturalism policies are GENOCIDE of the British people, make no mistake about that. We are being outbred by them, and whites are leaving in record numbers. We are the only country in history whose people have willingly submitted to this genocide without a fight. In fact our traitorous leaders are fully complicit in this treason.

I really would like to see some sort of proof that backs up your statement that whites are leaving in record numbers. Because im sure someone here posted a graph that shows the 'whites' are still the majority here. So if they are leaving in record numbers...where are they going and why are the whites still the majority race in the UK??.
From where im standing, i see the whites far out breeding the brownies/blacks...i dont know where you get your view from, that the whites are fast becoming the minority??. But id like to see some proof that.

cleanbluesky · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:31

To try and take DD's point - I think it is possible to have Islam as a personal, spiritual ideology but the moment you start going to mosque and thinking what your imam wants you to think and doing what your imam wants you to do... you lose the best part of you, and any chance of genuinely being able to take full part in British life.
I'd say exactly the same of the born agains and similar of the JoWos I've met

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:32

Mr.Clark said:
See, it's language like that that exacerbates things.

It's not genocide. Not even close.

What about ethnic cleansing then. I believe it would be more technically correct.

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:33

Spawn said:
I really would like to see some sort of proof that backs up your statement that whites are leaving in record numbers. Because im sure someone here posted a graph that shows the 'whites' are still the majority here. So if they are leaving in record numbers...where are they going and why are the whites still the majority race in the UK??.
From where im standing, i see the whites far out breeding the brownies/blacks...i dont know where you get your view from, that the whites are fast becoming the minority??. But id like to see some proof that.

Both are based on official government statistics. Do I need to explain simple arithmetic to you, to answer your question about why whites are still the majority despite being outbred and leaving in record numbers? The three are not mutually exclusive occurrences.

Dolph · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:37

dirtydog said:
I already said none of them should be attacked. I do strongly question whether a 'Muslim' can make 'every effort' to integrate into British society and still be a Muslim. I don't believe that the two are simultaneously possible.

eg. if you go to a Mosque, you aren't integrating into British society. Normal British people don't go to Mosques do they. That's just one example.

People in British society have freedom to do what they want, If I want to go to church, a masonic lodge, woolworths or a mosque, I have freedom to do so.

It seems you wish for people to act as you want them to, rather than on the British idea of freedom...

cleanbluesky · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:38

Dolph said:
People in British society have freedom to do what they want, If I want to go to church, a masonic lodge, woolworths or a mosque, I have freedom to do so.

It seems you wish for people to act as you want them to, rather than on the British idea of freedom...

I don't think DirtyDog suggested that they SHOULDN'T be allowed to go to mosque, or should be stopped

I would though. We talk of freedoms, but for all the 'freedoms' we have we also have a lot of restrictions. I would be quite happy to see systematic closing of mosques

Yas786 · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:38

dirtydog said:
I already said none of them should be attacked. I do strongly question whether a 'Muslim' can make 'every effort' to integrate into British society and still be a Muslim. I don't believe that the two are simultaneously possible.

eg. if you go to a Mosque, you aren't integrating into British society. Normal British people don't go to Mosques do they. That's just one example.

So normal british people go to church...is that integrating into British society??. Normal british people dont go to a mosque because possibly...bear with me on this one DD because it just might shock you...they arent muslim??? :eek:

So why would a normal british non muslim go into a mosque other than to possibly convert into islam..which i hate to point out, quite a few have. Another bug bear for you to rant about as well. All a mosque is, is a place of worship much like churches, temples and synagogues. Why not get rid of them???, why only mosques??? Ooops i forgot muslims=terrorists right??.

Why the hell must you bring such stupid and silly points into your arguements DD??. Seriously are you that deluded or paranoid that you think muslims or the majority of them want to bomb your ass out of existance??. If thats the case then i suggest you dont leave the house in case you come across a muslim who might just look at you the wrong way.

Im muslim myself and i make every effort possible to integrate into british society or i try to. I know plenty of other muslims who integrate into british society without much fuss...so for you to say that just makes me laugh tbh. I mean seriously your opinion/racism/xenophobia just keeps getting worse and worse. I do feel for you though, i really do...

Dolph · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:39

dirtydog said:
Both are based on official government statistics. Do I need to explain simple arithmetic to you, to answer your question about why whites are still the majority despite being outbred and leaving in record numbers? The three are not mutually exclusive occurrences.

Notice how we get back onto skin colour... Would you have a problem with a brown society that was otherwise identical to your 'british' ideal?

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:39

Dolph said:
People in British society have freedom to do what they want, If I want to go to church, a masonic lodge, woolworths or a mosque, I have freedom to do so.

It seems you wish for people to act as you want them to, rather than on the British idea of freedom...

If most people wanted to be Muslims and to dress like Ninjas, would that be okay with you? Would you still feel like you were living in Britain?

You seem to be okay with it now because they are a relatively small number. What if they were the majority? What if you with your western culture were in the minority? Would you feel comfortable? Do you think the Muslims would permit you to do as you pleased or would they make you conform to THEIR rules?

Yas786 · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:39

dirtydog said:
Both are based on official government statistics. Do I need to explain simple arithmetic to you, to answer your question about why whites are still the majority despite being outbred and leaving in record numbers? The three are not mutually exclusive occurrences.

Mind pulling them up for me or giving me a link to show that??.

Dolph · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:40

cleanbluesky said:
I don't think DirtyDog suggested that they SHOULDN'T be allowed to go to mosque, or should be stopped

He said that if they go to a mosque, they can't be behaving like a British person, yet British people are not restricted in going where they want to go for fear of being branded 'not british'.

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:41

cleanbluesky said:
I don't think DirtyDog suggested that they SHOULDN'T be allowed to go to mosque, or should be stopped

I would though. We talk of freedoms, but for all the 'freedoms' we have we also have a lot of restrictions. I would be quite happy to see systematic closing of mosques

I would also like to see Mosques gone. They aren't British and they don't belong here. Much like the people who frequent them, arguably

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:41

Spawn said:
Mind pulling them up for me or giving me a link to show that??.

Can't you just take my word for it to save me the bother... I assure you it is true. It has come up in numerous past threads on race, immigration and so on.

If you search past threads the links are no doubt contained within them.

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:43

Dolph said:
Notice how we get back onto skin colour... Would you have a problem with a brown society that was otherwise identical to your 'british' ideal?

Yes I would but that's a different and separate issue.

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:44

Here ya go Spawn... a link for one of my claims.

Britain's ethnic minorities are growing at 15 times the rate of the white population, newly-published research shows.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1556901.stm

Dolph · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:44

dirtydog said:
If most people wanted to be Muslims and to dress like Ninjas, would that be okay with you? Would you still feel like you were living in Britain?

I wouldn't agree with it or join in, but it wouldn't bother me that much, provided we maintained our legal freedoms that are a hallmark of the country (and that you seem to want rid of).

You seem to be okay with it now because they are a relatively small number. What if they were the majority? What if you with your western culture were in the minority? Would you feel comfortable? Do you think the Muslims would permit you to do as you pleased or would they make you conform to THEIR rules?

That's not a useful argument though. You say it would be bad if they forced us to confirm to their rules, yet you expect absolute conformity to ours from them. Is that any better? Is it different because we are who we are and they are 'things'?

Fundamentally I want to maintain our freedoms, the ones we've always enjoyed, and be protected from the tyranny of the majority, like we traditionally have been. You seem to want to make us into a state like theirs, where conformity is demanded, where there is no freedom, and yet you complain that Muslims have that sort of society. If they have it and you dislike them for it, why do you want us to act the same way?

cleanbluesky · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:45

Dolph said:
He said that if they go to a mosque, they can't be behaving like a British person, yet British people are not restricted in going where they want to go for fear of being branded 'not british'.

I don't even know how to answer that. Do you think that no behaviour is 'unbritish'? Do you think our society lives without norms?

Welcome to the cruel world.

EDIT: In retrospect, this post seems glib - it was written with a sense of frustration because I believe you are being obtuse.

Yas786 · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:46

dirtydog said:
Can't you just take my word for it to save me the bother... I assure you it is true. It has come up in numerous past threads on race, immigration and so on.

If you search past threads the links are no doubt contained within them.

Id rather not tbh, but fair enough if you cant be bothered to pull up some sort of stats then thats fine. Ill just dismiss your earlier post as nothing more than codswallop because i cant see any proof that whites are leaving this country in vast droves or are being out-bred by the brownies/blacks etc.

dirtydog · 1 Jul 2007 at 13:46

Dolph said:
That's not a useful argument though. You say it would be bad if they forced us to confirm to their rules, yet you expect absolute conformity to ours from them. Is that any better? Is it different because we are who we are and they are 'things'?

It is perfectly simple. We have the right to make demands of them because this is OUR country. It's a bit like if you have guests in your house. You set the ground rules for their behaviour. You don't let them in and then have them start changing things around to suit themselves while you watch on helplessly.