Glasgow Airport-under attack

DirtyDog said:
It's not very welcoming for the English though is it? And as for tolerance - in Glasgow with the Old Firm religious rivalry? Don't make me laugh
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As an englishman who grew up in England for 90% of my life I would have to disagree on your first point.

Ahhh but what you missed about the Old Firm aspect is thats the only thing. Yes they will ask you if you are a Catholic Muslim or a Prodestant Muslim but apart from that they don't really care about anything else. :)

In general I have found Scots to be more tolerant than the English especially those in the South. :p
 
SunaseIPs said:
No that's the Simpsons.
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I didn't know that Marge had blonde eyes? :eek:

SunaseIPs said:
So England and Scotland have had an attack, does that mean Wales and Ireland will get one?
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It would only seem fair.

However, in Northern Ireland, nobody would notice - in Wales, maybe they'll get back to burning down some holiday homes, just to get in on the act.
 
VIRII, Shackley, I'm bored of you both. Stop it with the tirades and typical merry-go-round style trolling of each other. Furthermore any personal attacks of any sort whatsoever will be removed and more suspensions handed out.
 
Gilly said:
VIRII, Shackley, I'm bored of you both. Stop it with the tirades and typical merry-go-round style trolling of each other. Furthermore any personal attacks of any sort whatsoever will be removed and more suspensions handed out.
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Seems fair - will do.
 
Bar said:
As an englishman who grew up in England for 90% of my life I would have to disagree on your first point.

Ahhh but what you missed about the Old Firm aspect is thats the only thing. Yes they will ask you if you are a Catholic Muslim or a Prodestant Muslim but apart from that they don't really care about anything else. :)

In general I have found Scots to be more tolerant than the English especially those in the South. :p
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ONE in three English people living in Scotland suffer some form of face racial abuse, according to a new survey.

A Glasgow University study found that many were subjected to violence and some had even received death threats.
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http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=434&id=1110502003

Scots living in England are not subjected to the same hatred that many English in Scotland are.
 
dirtydog said:
It's not very welcoming for the English though is it? And as for tolerance - in Glasgow with the Old Firm religious rivalry? Don't make me laugh :)
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You're right about Glasgow but Scotland as a whole is definitely welcoming in my experience :)
 
Yeah I don't mean to exaggerate or to suggest that most Scots are hostile to the English :) It seems to be a sizeable minority though, albeit I am not speaking from personal first hand experience.
 
Nickg said:
sounds like wales. the englishman should beware in cardiff especially when the football is on. id say that england is probably the most tolerant out of the three countries!
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Yep, I agree. Thats because England doesn't have the chip on the shoulder of the inferiority complex :)
 
VIRII said:
Nope. The second post was the entire link. The first one was about 50% of it and it was not "rearranged". You should try reading your links in future if you want them to support your imaginary argument.
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I quoted what it says on the link, which differs from what you quoted, in a different order and with various contextual caveats removed. See post 539 for the difference between what you quoted claiming was on the page and what the actual order and paragraph was from the page...
 
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dirtydog said:
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=434&id=1110502003

Scots living in England are not subjected to the same hatred that many English in Scotland are.
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"It is a very small minority of the English-born living in Scotland who are affected in this way, but that is little consolation to the families in question," he said.
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Doesn't seem as bad as first suggested with the "1 in 3" quote from The Scotsman, especially since it dealt with a massive 500 "southern natives" in the survey.

There are idiots in all parts of the UK unfortunately who subject each other to abuse, even English against Scots.
 
It's good to see that Alex Salmond isn't using the attack on Glasgow Airport as an excuse to demand 90-day detention without trial, which by all accounts to date would have done absolutely nothing to prevent this or the London attacks . . .
The failed terror attacks in Glasgow and London should not be used to justify detaining terror suspects for 90 days, Scotland's first minister said today. Alex Salmond said there was nothing in the current investigation that supported arguments that the law should be changed from 28 days to 90 days' detention for terror suspects.

Last month, before he became prime minister, it was reported that Gordon Brown wanted to increase the detention period to 90 days, although he said yesterday that now was not the time to focus on the issue and that a consensus needed to be built. Guardian Link
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I wonder if Brown will be as sensible?
 
Shackley said:
It's good to see that Alex Salmond isn't using the attack on Glasgow Airport as an excuse to demand 90-day detention without trial, which by all accounts to date would have done absolutely nothing to prevent this or the London attacks . . .
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:confused:

Are you suggesting that the reasoning of the 90-day detention was to make all attacks within the UK physically impossible?

Do you think they have no use?
 
It seems clear that the Police and Security Services were already closing in on the Glasgow bombers . . .
Police had information about the Glasgow airport car bomb suspects shortly before the attempted bombing happened, it emerged today.
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"The police wanted to know why we had dialled a certain phone number. They had the phone records from the situation down in London," he said. "We had made a phone call in regard to the tenant at that house. We could find no record of contacting that number but the police had got detailed phone analysis." Guardian Link
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Let's hope that this means that they will be able to catch any others who may be lurking around.
 
cleanbluesky said:
Are you suggesting that the reasoning of the 90-day detention was to make all attacks within the UK physically impossible?
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So far as I am aware, the rationale behind 90-day detention is to allow the Police and Security services to conduct further investigations. I don't see how they could have helped in this case.

cleanbluesky said:
Do you think they have no use?
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I'm sure that 90-day detention has its uses, but why not 180 days, a year, five years? Why not just lock up indefinitely anyone who you think might be a terrorist, or sympathetic to terrorism? This approach worked a treat in Northern Ireland, didn't it?

It is my understanding that most people, including people in the Police force and Security services can see no logic behind the choice of 90-days and that some people suggest that the longer the time frame is, the more slowly the investigation would progress - which in such a situation, can't be a good thing.
 
Shackley said:
So far as I am aware, the rationale behind 90-day detention is to allow the Police and Security services to conduct further investigations. I don't see how they could have helped in this case.
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So are you're assuming that their only use is in prevention?

I'm sure that 90-day detention has its uses, but why not 180 days, a year, five years? Why not just lock up indefinitely anyone who you think might be a terrorist, or sympathetic to terrorism? This approach worked a treat in Northern Ireland, didn't it?

It is my understanding that most people, including people in the Police force and Security services can see no logic behind the choice of 90-days and that some people suggest that the longer the time frame is, the more slowly the investigation would progress - which in such a situation, can't be a good thing.
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If the security services are dragging their feet (something that's hard to accuse them of considering how many terror attacks they have sofar prevented) - then this isn't a call for shorter detention time, it is a call for greater efficiency.

I'd be interested to know how many self-identifying 'liberals' could maintain their moral and idealised motivation in the face of repeated successful attacks.

We live in comfort, and whilst there is a definite value to be reminded that we trade liberty for security, I believe those who constantly do so need recognise that they would do so as well - were we a little further down the line.
 
dirtydog said:
This is a good article about the Muslims in the UK...

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/12037
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I wonder about this.

Muslims cannot take a side becasue they have split social loyalties - so what use is asking them except to push them away?

Which is something I have don't necessarily have a problem with - but if we wish to suggest this, then suggest it rather than grandiose ideas of 'taking sides'.

But then again, how else does the media attempt to influence opinion. In my mind, this piece uses the same mechanism as the average Guardian article - subtle influence of opinion.

Perhaps a few Muslims on the forum would like to comment on the idea that they could 'take sides' - I'm sure they would understand their identity better than I would.
 
dirtydog said:
This is a good article about the Muslims in the UK...

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/12037
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good as in well written and free from bias? or good as in supporting UKIP's, sorry i mean your own viewpoint?

i gave up when i saw the hyperbole, "sickening" and the colloquialsms "Yeah right" from the author of the piece.


edit when were we ever as patriotic as the americans? i dont recall a time in the last 100 years where everyone hung flags from their windows as a daily occurance, or sung the national anthen before each sporting event... so contrasting to the US is a bit of a folly.

Similarly, the US claim just as many incidents with immigrants, and are probably hated more than the UK is for the reasons in my edited paragraph above.
 
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