Going batty in Batley (or comic strip strikes again).

If I had it I would post it *. Basically this is what Charlie Hebdo did recently, republishing the ones they used originally.

I dislike Macron for being a smarmy git but he has his head screwed on regarding this.

* I would also get a holiday from the mods though.
 
omnomnom said:
He doesn't deserve death threats though does he. He was literally explaining what blasphemy was whilst using an example of it.
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No, he doesn't, but I covered that in my first post in the thread.

Dolph said:
Bringing out a cartoon of the prophet to teach about blasphemy is kind of like teaching about racial inequality by just reeling off as many racial slurs as you can think of.

While I strongly disagree with the threats etc, it's absolutely appropriate for the teacher to lose his job for being a generally disrespectful moron.
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I will, however (and subject to verification from somewhere other than the daily hatemail), highlight that this may not actually be the teachers fault.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...et-Muhammad-schools-curriculum-TWO-YEARS.html

If that is true, I will happily reassign the blame where it should be, which isn't the teacher.
 
Teacher is not to blame for anything. Its the muslims that go ape because of their extremist views and forceful censorship of anything that goes against their beliefs.
 
omnomnom said:
Whats the teacher done wrong again?
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If he made the choice (and wasn't just teaching the same class plan the school had been using for several years), then what he's done wrong is unnecessarily introduced contraversial material into the class, causing the school negative publicity and unnecessary disruption of the children's schooling due to the (inevitable and well understood) response from a section of the public.

It's not about the Muslim angle for me, I can come up with all sorts of alternative examples that would cause similar controversy and protests (although probably without the death threats, which I've already said are massively inappropriate, and as they are a criminal offense, should result in action against anyone who made them).
 
The Running Man said:
I thought James obrien was clearly woeful in his flawed argument here. Worse he clung onto it like a raft at sea.

You do not need to see something in person to know it would be offensive.

It's called using your brain and your imagination.

Imagine the virgin Mary depicted at a brothel prior to 'immaculate conception' day.

Clearly people would find this offensive. I dont need to draw it for you for you to know that.
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But how many of those that would be offended by that image would storm into an office and murder/maim those that chose to show the image?


The Running Man said:
Agreed, the issue here is that people of Islamic fath put this above everything, including the fact that they came to the UK to live in a free, basically secular society.

Sadly this demeanour makes them wholly incompatible with that way of life which they claim to have sought out.

Ultimately this means that we should be strong and forward looking in our approach.l:

Ban the production of halal/kosha meat
Ban shariah courts
Enforce freedom of expression
Etc

And give people a decision if they want to live in a community together with common rule with the benefits that brings or live somewhere else conducive to their desires.
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I agree. But you know now that makes us both the ultimate racists in some people's eyes right?
 
Resident said:
But how many of those that would be offended by that image would storm into an office and murder/maim those that chose to show the image?




I agree. But you know now that makes us both the ultimate racists in some people's eyes right?
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There are numerous countries in Europe that have banned the production of halal food.

Religious courts that typically discriminate on sex, a protected attribute, should be outlawed on that basis.

Freedom of expression is protected but it needs to be enforced otherwise it is defacto not a freedom at all.
 
Dolph said:
If he made the choice (and wasn't just teaching the same class plan the school had been using for several years), then what he's done wrong is unnecessarily introduced contraversial material into the class, causing the school negative publicity and unnecessary disruption of the children's schooling due to the (inevitable and well understood) response from a section of the public.

It's not about the Muslim angle for me, I can come up with all sorts of alternative examples that would cause similar controversy and protests (although probably without the death threats, which I've already said are massively inappropriate, and as they are a criminal offense, should result in action against anyone who made them).
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As long as it is treated age appropriately and subject is not illegal most topics can and should be taught in school. Especially a Grammar stream. There should not be any holy cows in education that cannot be discussed. If we do not , we fail the next generation who will learn it figuratively 'behind the bike shed'. Death threats are a consequence of an ill educated group swayed by a "teacher" giving illegal and unfounded advice.
 
Hagar said:
If I had it I would post it *. Basically this is what Charlie Hebdo did recently, republishing the ones they used originally.

I dislike Macron for being a smarmy git but he has his head screwed on regarding this.

* I would also get a holiday from the mods though.
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It cant be that hard for someone to google it if they want to see it.

You have to remember these arent flattering images like those we see of Jesus for instance. They are deliberately offensive and meant to cause offence.
 
Merlin5 said:
A protester has warned they will stand outside of a Batley school every day until a teacher is sacked for allegedly showing pupils derogatory caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad. .
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I wonder how long it'll take for him to get bored and clear off, Less than a month I'd wager, plus doesn't he have work he should be doing....
 
FoxEye said:
Look guys, it's very simple.

Just do what you're told and you won't get beheaded. "Peace" :p
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Isnt that your message though but without the beheading stuff? Apart from when you decide you dont want to be told.

Those images are basicaly the same as saying to someone "who you looking at" and wondering why a fight started, not that it is right.

The irony is what that teacher did was a very woke type action yet he is being championed by anti wokers. If he had tried to explain 'white privilage' who here would be sticking up for him?
Adam_151 said:
I wonder how long it'll take for him to get bored and clear off, Less than a month I'd wager, plus doesn't he have work he should be doing....
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Nah it wont be the same person they will rotate.
 
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Dolph said:
If he made the choice (and wasn't just teaching the same class plan the school had been using for several years), then what he's done wrong is unnecessarily introduced contraversial material into the class, causing the school negative publicity and unnecessary disruption of the children's schooling due to the (inevitable and well understood) response from a section of the public.

It's not about the Muslim angle for me, I can come up with all sorts of alternative examples that would cause similar controversy and protests (although probably without the death threats, which I've already said are massively inappropriate, and as they are a criminal offense, should result in action against anyone who made them).
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He's teaching children about blasphemy and used an example. The idea that he should be fired is ridiculous.

Do we need to amend the curriculum and teach children in religious bubbles then or what?
 
Hagar said:
As long as it is treated age appropriately and subject is not illegal most topics can and should be taught in school. Especially a Grammar stream. There should not be any holy cows in education that cannot be discussed. If we do not , we fail the next generation who will learn it figuratively 'behind the bike shed'. Death threats are a consequence of an ill educated group swayed by a "teacher" giving illegal and unfounded advice.
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You can teach this without actually showing the cartoon, that's why it's unnecessary. A simple 'if you really want to see them, Google them' approach is more than adequate.

If we were talking about not discussing the issue at all, I'd agree with you, it absolutely should be discussed, and should be discussed in the context that the reaction is extreme and unnecessary, but the children didn't need a practical demonstration of that extremism.
 
Tony Edwards said:
It cant be that hard for someone to google it if they want to see it.

You have to remember these arent flattering images like those we see of Jesus for instance. They are deliberately offensive and meant to cause offence.
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The world might have actually stopped, it sounds like we are in agreement on something :eek:
 
omnomnom said:
He's teaching children about blasphemy and used an example. The idea that he should be fired is ridiculous.

Do we need to amend the curriculum and teach children in religious bubbles then or what?
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He could have gone about it a bit better. Its like trying to show the Life of Brian to strict christiians.
The film's themes of religious satire were controversial at the time of its release, drawing accusations of blasphemy and protests from some religious groups. Thirty-nine local authorities in the United Kingdom either imposed an outright ban, or imposed an X (18 years) certificate.
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Dolph said:
The world might have actually stopped, it sounds like we are in agreement on something :eek:
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:D:p
 
omnomnom said:
He's teaching children about blasphemy and used an example. The idea that he should be fired is ridiculous.

Do we need to amend the curriculum and teach children in religious bubbles then or what?
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Should we also show something like 'I spit on your grave' in a sexual consent class as an example?
 
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