Good Cheap Server - HP Proliant Microserver 4 BAY - OWNERS THREAD

Dandle said:
Why are people still buying these over the dell T20 at £97 inc cash back. The Dell comes with a Intel Pentium G3220 (3M Cache, 3.00 GHz) too which can be replaced with a Xeon at a later date if you need more power.

The T20 by far out performs the N54L it replaced.
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People are on the G8 now. A system I believe isn't much far off the T20
 
WILD9 said:
Mine is headless in my loft, ilo was a big plus for me.
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Both my N54l and T20 are using ESXI neither of them had monitors apart from the initial box setup and everything is then managed remotely on my laptop or main pc.

Steveocee said:
People are on the G8 now. A system I believe isn't much far off the T20
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The 2.3ghz Celeron CPU in the G8 is a fair bit slower then the Pentium 3.0Ghz in the T20 the T20 also supports four dims for ram and isn't that much bigger in size. It really is a bargain for £97 at the moment.
 
well one of my drives failed in my RAID on my DSM software'd HP server over the weekend.

My raid was a JBOD, so I lost the data to it all, really annoyed (I thought "it would never happen to me")

Anyway I want to replace the drives with 8TB drives now and go with RAID5 for data protection.

Also gives me the chance to upgrade to a newer DSM version, what is the latest version that can be installed on a none synology system now?
 
Do you really want to spend £500/drive for 8TB disks?

(the archive drives are only OK in JBOD, they get extremely hot in raid-5 like arrays - even in just normal copying - and their re-sync speed is terrible. After only a few months in the field, they're already reporting as high failure rate too - it's like the Seagate 3TB drive flop all over again)

£200/drive for 6TB WD Red is MUCH better value for money and potential longevity.

Another option are the 5TB Toshiba drives, they're re-branded Hitachis and can be had for $145 each from a major retailer... so £100 each for 5TB!

If I'd known about the Toshibas before I just purchased a batch of 6 4TB WD Reds, I'd have picked 7-8 5TB drives instead.
 
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Man those 5TB Toshibas are cheap. The only problem, I assume the warranty doesn't apply once you strip them out of the USB enclosure?
 
I'm finding that seagate Backup Plus 8TB drives are only £200 on the rainforest, bought one previously and stripped it open and it is a standard sata drive and it works in my server fine.

The way I see it is I want max capacity possible with data protection. Note my server had around 16TB of data on it before it was lost, that didn't take me too long to aqquire either. So maximising data capacity is key, but now after my failure I need protection too. 4 x 8TB gives me a total of 24TB usable space in RAID5.


P.S. my JBOD config was
1 x seagate 3TB drive
2 x WD Red 4 TB drive
1 x seagate 8TB drive

The failure was the seagate 3TB.

So if i buy 3 x 8tb drives by seagate then that is fine, other wise if I buy 6TB drives and I lose the total capacity of the 8tb i already have, all drives in RAID 5 operate as capacity of the smallest drive. (i think)
 
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Dandle said:
Both my N54l and T20 are using ESXI neither of them had monitors apart from the initial box setup and everything is then managed remotely on my laptop or main pc.



The 2.3ghz Celeron CPU in the G8 is a fair bit slower then the Pentium 3.0Ghz in the T20 the T20 also supports four dims for ram and isn't that much bigger in size. It really is a bargain for £97 at the moment.
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PM me a link please
 
Ace Modder said:
well one of my drives failed in my RAID on my DSM software'd HP server over the weekend.

My raid was a JBOD, so I lost the data to it all, really annoyed (I thought "it would never happen to me")

Anyway I want to replace the drives with 8TB drives now and go with RAID5 for data protection.

Also gives me the chance to upgrade to a newer DSM version, what is the latest version that can be installed on a none synology system now?
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What OS you running...
I use Stablebits Drivepool, nice and flexible as well as having the ability to duplicate folders/shares over multiple drives...
 
Trig said:
What OS you running...
I use Stablebits Drivepool, nice and flexible as well as having the ability to duplicate folders/shares over multiple drives...
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I use drivepool aswell

Have it on my media server and backup server...

Have duplication enabled on critical data.

just works.
 
rotor said:
Man those 5TB Toshibas are cheap. The only problem, I assume the warranty doesn't apply once you strip them out of the USB enclosure?
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You can buy them without enclosure from the USA. Warranty is international :)

They only appear to have a 1 year warranty, however.

Ace Modder said:
I'm finding that seagate Backup Plus 8TB drives are only £200 on the rainforest, bought one previously and stripped it open and it is a standard sata drive and it works in my server fine.

The way I see it is I want max capacity possible with data protection. Note my server had around 16TB of data on it before it was lost, that didn't take me too long to aqquire either. So maximising data capacity is key, but now after my failure I need protection too. 4 x 8TB gives me a total of 24TB usable space in RAID5.


P.S. my JBOD config was
1 x seagate 3TB drive
2 x WD Red 4 TB drive
1 x seagate 8TB drive

The failure was the seagate 3TB.

So if i buy 3 x 8tb drives by seagate then that is fine, other wise if I buy 6TB drives and I lose the total capacity of the 8tb i already have, all drives in RAID 5 operate as capacity of the smallest drive. (i think)
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Those are the same as the archive drives.

I strongly recommend against using those in anything other than a raid-1 array.

Check the temperature that your current drive is running at when in use and you will see why.

Hard drive load/usage is increased substantially in raid 5 vs JBOD.

And as I mentioned... a LOT of failure reports already.

As JBOD - you would be fine... in raid 5... no, just no!
 
running a full SMART scan on the archive drive now. Lets see what it hits.

EDIT : after 20mins, only up to 35 degrees.
 
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Let us know... :)

I've seen reports of them hitting 70C just copying files... although that was an extreme example... albeit a few getting in the 65-70 range, even with fans blowing over them. The others I've read about mostly tend to sit in the 50-60 range, again with air cooling.

Quite excessive for such a drive... I don't think any of mine have gone above 35-40, even under heavy load.

EDIT: I'm interested... despite having just bought a few 4TB drives (good deal on the £/GB, rather than going for max GB/cm^3)... It would be nice to get 8TB for a similar price to the WD Red 6TB... but I'm a bit wary after the 3TB failures... my 5th drive failed about a month ago, so only one remaining.
 
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I'm going to do more testing, Im creating a RAID1 volume on 2 x 8TB archive drives (just had a new one delivered, so I've installed that now)

Gunna test some file copying etc once the raid volume is created. Good to be able to test/play with it before i start using it properly.
 
rotor said:
Man those 5TB Toshibas are cheap. The only problem, I assume the warranty doesn't apply once you strip them out of the USB enclosure?
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I have opened two now and not broken any clips.

I could easily put the drives back in the enclosure without issue.

You need at least 4 old credit card store cards for this purpose.:)
 
Ace Modder said:
I'm going to do more testing, Im creating a RAID1 volume on 2 x 8TB archive drives (just had a new one delivered, so I've installed that now)

Gunna test some file copying etc once the raid volume is created. Good to be able to test/play with it before i start using it properly.
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:cool:

easyrider said:
I have opened two now and not broken any clips.

I could easily put the drives back in the enclosure without issue.

You need at least 4 old credit card store cards for this purpose.:)
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Almost as cheap as the US price.

Do you know what the warranty is on the UK-purchased external drives? Looks like they're 2 year over here, so I imagine 1-2 in the UK.

I like that they're 7200rpm drives too... not that I need that speed with only a 1gbit home network.
 
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