• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

Goodbye Catalyst Control Center :D

Of all the posts on this forum you pick on mine!? :D
Have you seen there's a thread of people complaining about a game that's not out yet (Fallout 4) and how bad it might be because of GameWorks and how they've cancelled their pre-order! Nobody told them to lighten up! (probably scared of being scared out of run out of town :))

:D:D:D

Might pop in there. It does seem in this forum that positives always seem to become negatives.

As with some others to me the CCC is fine as it is because i barely ever use it. Hopefully there is some stuff in this new design that interests me.
 
:D:D:D

Might pop in there. It does seem in this forum that positives always seem to become negatives.

As with some others to me the CCC is fine as it is because i barely ever use it. Hopefully there is some stuff in this new design that interests me.

I was wondering if anyone would make the connection between your "end of the world" comment and Fallout 4.

Fallout 4 has GameWorks? It's not the end of the wor... oh wait, it sort of is isn't it?
 
I was wondering if anyone would make the connection between your "end of the world" comment and Fallout 4.

Fallout 4 has GameWorks? It's not the end of the wor... oh wait, it sort of is isn't it?

I never clicked :D

For some it might well be but for me i will just pick it up on ps4 and play an unbroken game if the PC release is anything like a Nuclear Blast :D.

On topic i hope this release from AMD is nothing like Gamework's then i would never open it up. Stuttering across my screen so i can't aim on it.
 
Radeon-Software-Crimson-Slides_For-Pressjpg_Page46.jpg


A 2 month old driver :p
 
I doubt there's much their software department can do to boost their hardware development and designs. Some people design architechture, some code.

I think they are doing both Kaap, just because they are developing new software doesn't mean they ain't developing new GPU's or that this is instead of GPU's.

This reaction is a bit hyperbole, TBH, oh no....., AMD updated their software after we have been asking them to do that for some time!!!!!!

Yes get those coders into designing new cores....umm wha? :confused::confused:

Owning all those GPU's has muddled your mind a bit dude :p

Software and hardware engineers are 2 separate departments.

There's nothing wrong with the cards they are just priced a bit too high.

I have seen AMD do a lot of stuff that has ultimately turned out to be a waste of time like Mantle and very poor CPUs to name but two.

What AMD need are brand new cutting edge products and all we have seen is the Fiji based cards which are almost as rare as a GTX 980 Ti in AMDMatt's PC.

All the other cards in the 3XX range are based on older SKUs.

Producing pretty software is nice but it is not going to earn AMD any money.

As to all those coders mentioned above, get them working on the drivers rather than what colour the interface is.:)
 
They can't release the new cards if the foundries aren't ready.

All they are churning out atm are tiny 100mm2 phone chips tuned for low power.

Good to see CCC being replaced with something more modern looking, will reserve any judgement for when I try it.
 
I have seen AMD do a lot of stuff that has ultimately turned out to be a waste of time like Mantle and very poor CPUs to name but two.

What AMD need are brand new cutting edge products and all we have seen is the Fiji based cards which are almost as rare as a GTX 980 Ti in AMDMatt's PC.

All the other cards in the 3XX range are based on older SKUs.

Producing pretty software is nice but it is not going to earn AMD any money.

As to all those coders mentioned above, get them working on the drivers rather than what colour the interface is.:)

In your opinion.

You would be surprised, having a good looking, fast and user friendly UI is a very long way from a waste of time.

To a lot of people a GPU is not just a device for a purpose, its a toy.
A lot of people take a lot of pride in owning one, a nice usable control interface matters to how they feel about that product.

People buy expensive phones not because they need them to be expensive but because as a gadget its how they feel about the quality of materials used, about how it looks...

2 ways in which you can appreciate a GPU, the physical item its self and the way in which you interact with it, its the latter of that which AMD have polished up. This matters because if the user feels good about his UI interaction with it he's more likely to stick with the brand and recommend it to their friends, it may even be a part of the concentration when choosing a brand.

Its not just the hardware, its the whole bit, its not a choice of the hardware or the software as you seem to think it is. just because they have polished the software does not mean they are ignoring the hardware. Black and white thinking ridiculous.

Its no good just doing the things that you think are important, you have to do what everyone thinks is important, the look and feel of how they interact with it is important to people, it may not be to you but it is to others.

PS: in your opinion Mantle was a waste of time, by that i'm guessing you think Mantle did absolutely nothing for anything or anyone, DX12, Vulkan and Metal would be the same thing if Mantle had never existed despite the fact that Vulkan is Mantle. I'm guessing you would dispute Mantle having anything to do with Vulkan?

So many times do i read on forums like this that "AMD do nothing for the industry and nothing for their own user base" and yet when they do AMD get crucified for it in one way or another, with that there is never a shortage of criticisms of what AMD are doing, its thick and constant.... for me that says it all. Maybe less really is more but in this case i very much doubt that will be satisfactory. Nothing ever will be.
 
Last edited:
Best thing is that the whole thing is written in Qt. Should be extremely lean, fast and reliable. Also works well on all platforms, so should help with feature parity in Linux / OSX.
 
I have seen AMD do a lot of stuff that has ultimately turned out to be a waste of time like Mantle and very poor CPUs to name but two.

I can't believe people are still trolling with this.

In terms of post DX11 APIs we have a choice of MS Mantle or Khronos Mantle. Neither of which would have even existed without Mantle.
 
I can't believe people are still trolling with this.

In terms of post DX11 APIs we have a choice of MS Mantle or Khronos Mantle. Neither of which would have even existed without Mantle.

[rant] i am sick, absolutely sick to the back teeth of trying to do something in my projects only to be told "DX11 says no" when i know the hardware can do (Without exaggeration) 10x what i ask of it! [/rant]

Many of you will argue Mantle has had no influence even in the existence of DX12 and even Vulkan, that is your prerogatives.

However i disagree completely, Mantle was not a waste of time, In My Opinion it is no less than essential, pivotal even; in the future of PC gaming and development.

really, if Microsoft had their way we would all be on their consoles paying them repeat subscription fees for the privileged of playing our own games online.
Don't believe for a second that Microsoft care about people like us, they don't. why do you think for 10 years of them having low level API's we never saw any of it until Mantle came onto the scene?

PS: DX12 has the same architectural layout as Mantle, its a practically a mirror image.
 
Last edited:
I think mantle succeeded in what AMD wanted, early understanding of low level API and game development.
AMD also got LiquidVR and helped Vulkan.. I would say that is very successful tbh
 
The bottom line is AMD have been guilty of spreading their resources too thin and would do well to concentrate on getting quality hardware on the shelves.

Sorry but that is the truth.

At least as far as AMD goes I have not jumped ship and will continue to support them.:)
 
I have seen AMD do a lot of stuff that has ultimately turned out to be a waste of time like Mantle and very poor CPUs to name but two.

I agree with the CPU comment but Mantle was the most important development for the graphics segment since DX9. Because of Mantle we have DX12, now, today. We have Vulcan on the way. We have the removal of one of the most stubborn actual bottlenecks of our time. It's comparable to the advent of SSDs. I hear people saying that DX12 would have happened anyway, well sure, in it's present form? Doubtful, as DX11 was supposed to do the same wasn't it, DX10 too I believe? Mantle only had to kickstart a lazy and aimless ecosystem, it did exactly that. If we had it 5 years ago AMD CPUs would probably have a much larger market share amongst gamers even with the current lackluster offerings.

And don't forget Mantle is still here, it's leading the way with VR development and I'm sure parts of it will end up in future APIs. Best thing AMD have done in a long time and the biggest success I can think of in recent years.
 
Back
Top Bottom