Google-Motorola "X Phone" in the 2013 pipeline?

sarge78 · 15 Jul 2013 at 12:44

m4rk84 said:
I never claimed it was technically correct just that LED does NOT = AMOLED as he claimed.

There was no point in that argument where he was right and I was wrong... sometimes it beggars belief.

Relax no-ones having a go...

The term "LED screen" is a marketing throwback and shouldn't really be used, it could be anything. (LED does = AMOLED, how could it not? :confused:

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Nexus18 · 15 Jul 2013 at 17:00

Are moto teasing a camera that will be able to capture photos without blur?

https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/356098053318537216/photo/1

Would kind of explain the whole clear pixel marketing term after all

Plus that is what Brian Klug thinks too, that moto will use a RGBW sensor so essentially better low light photos with no blur and without sacrificing detail!

http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-x-rgbw-clear-pixel-241032/

If it is true then = :cool:

The only phone that is capable of catching more consistent usable shots currently (especially in low light) is the htc one (especially when zoe mode is used).

Some quick videos:

http://vimeo.com/70256940

http://vimeo.com/70252600

I have a strong feeling that this is going to replace my S.....

Sunbed · 15 Jul 2013 at 17:50

grudas said:
thats what i've said the price will be the big player and with those specs tbh i would expect it to be less than 200.

:/

Very much doubt it's going to be under £200. Would be surprised if it's under £250.

grudas · 15 Jul 2013 at 18:17

Sundance said:
:/

Very much doubt it's going to be under £200. Would be surprised if it's under £250.

then it's as pointless as it gets as you can get a nexus 4 for around that, with quad cpu and so on

kona786 · 15 Jul 2013 at 18:26

grudas said:
then it's as pointless as it gets as you can get a nexus 4 for around that, with quad cpu and so on

Quad core S4 cpu vs dual S4 - MEH. Both will have the important 2GB RAM.

If this has 720p SAMOLED then that's a big enough reason over the Nexus 4.

sarge78 · 15 Jul 2013 at 18:26

Nexus18 said:
Are moto teasing a camera that will be able to capture photos without blur?

https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/356098053318537216/photo/1

Would kind of explain the whole clear pixel marketing term after all Plus that is what Brian Klug thinks too, that moto will use a RGBW sensor so essentially better low light photos with no blur and without sacrificing detail!

Sony has abandoned RGBW or pushed it back for the time being, and it wouldn't boost the sensitivity enough for ultra fast shutter speeds anyway. Only really large pixels (3 microns+) a big aperture or zenon flash would be enough for those "kid" shots using a hardware solution. We already know it doesn't have a zenon flash and the lens looks fairly stock (esp compared to the 1020)

Will it have really big pixels similar to HTC? Maybe... but I bet it's a software solution like this >> http://blogs.adobe.com/samartha/2013/06/photoshop-cc-the-magical-camera-shake-reduction.html
(you wouldn't need to predict the camera shake/rotation at the time of capture with the all the phones sensors

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grudas · 15 Jul 2013 at 18:39

kona786 said:
Quad core S4 cpu vs dual S4 - MEH. Both will have the important 2GB RAM.

If this has 720p SAMOLED then that's a big enough reason over the Nexus 4.

true, but its not so much the performance its more the price

if its over 200 i just can't see it being a good option over N4 unless it really has a great camera

Nexus18 · 15 Jul 2013 at 18:56

kona786 said:
If this has 720p SAMOLED then that's a big enough reason over the Nexus 4.

Huge +1 to that! :cool:

The above combined with:

- possibly a big battery (I will be shocked if moto use a small battery especially since the X looks quite thick)
- improved camera (even if it is only as good as the gs 3, one s/x etc.)
- plus you have all the other wee things such as the software stuff/tweaks
- better design so far (imo)
- choice of different colour chassis and possibly what type of material the back is
- Not forgetting possibly other improvements over the nexus 4, such as a louder speaker (the nexus 4 is pretty damn quite)

Makes it a better device "overall", I know that I would much rather have the moto X over the n4 even if is £10 or so pounds dearer than the n4 (assuming that it has all/most of the above)

I don't think the price will disappoint anyone.

sarge78 said:
Sony has abandoned RGBW or pushed it back for the time being, and it wouldn't boost the sensitivity enough for ultra fast shutter speeds anyway. Only really large pixels (3 microns+) a big aperture or zenon flash would be enough for those "kid" shots using a hardware solution. We already know it doesn't have a zenon flash and the lens looks fairly stock (esp compared to the 1020)

Will it have really big pixels similar to HTC? Maybe... but I bet it's a software solution like this >> http://blogs.adobe.com/samartha/2013/06/photoshop-cc-the-magical-camera-shake-reduction.html
(you wouldn't need to predict the camera shake/rotation at the time of capture with the all the phones sensors )

Well whatever it is, I am super excited about it!

Moto wouldn't have posted that on the X twitter page for no reason!

Could very well be a software thing since motorola seems to be putting more effort into that than the hardware side of things (right move imo, too many people get uptight over hardware specs whenever the software is more important, no point of having great hardware specs if the software is poor to use and/or poorly optimised making the powerful specs pointless)

TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if it using the same algorithms that google use when you upload photos to google+. Does that fix/reduce blur etc.? (don't have google + so can't try

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Nexus18 · 17 Jul 2013 at 11:08

Just going to post this again as I don't think anyone watched or noticed it

http://vimeo.com/70252600

joay · 17 Jul 2013 at 12:29

First i appreciate you profile pic....and nice content you have posted.

413x · 17 Jul 2013 at 12:35

Shame they are dropping nled imo

Is it now only Samsung who do it?

Nexus18 · 17 Jul 2013 at 13:45

joay said:
First i appreciate you profile pic....and nice content you have posted.

Thanks

Glad you like it!

al4x said:
Shame they are dropping nled imo

Is it now only Samsung who do it?

Was waiting for your reply about that!

They could also drop it in the future.......

Personally I think it is much better than a NLED (as long as it doesn't drain battery):

- get more detail, possibly choose what you want to be displayed i.e. just the contact name and/or a brief view of the email/text or none at all etc.
- possibly customise the text/icon colour etc. to whatever you want
- change the icons, font etc.

Essentially a lot more flexible all round and a more "modern" approach. Also, one less thing to break

kona786 · 17 Jul 2013 at 13:49

One thing is that Notifications aren't very clear unless your right in front of your phone.

Nexus18 · 17 Jul 2013 at 13:58

Yeah it could do with the brightness being upped or having a "brighter/more stand out" colour, like pink!

Perhaps, it will use the light proximity sensor/auto-brightness?

Lets hope Motorola have included some tweaks/options to mess around with!

One thing for sure, is that it is a heck of a lot better than the one S/X NLED visibility!

sarge78 · 17 Jul 2013 at 20:16

Nexus18 said:
One thing for sure, is that it is a heck of a lot better than the one S/X NLED visibility!

Hehehe.

Nexus18 said:
Just going to post this again as I don't think anyone watched or noticed it

Nice, the MSM8960T and 2GB is all but confirmed. That's all you'll ever need until 16/20nm SoCs hit.

_Jimlad_ · 17 Jul 2013 at 21:24

Might get to hear the details on the 24th.

Nexus18 · 18 Jul 2013 at 20:17

Possibly the camera of the X......

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...and-Aptina-Clarity-Plus-explained_id45435#10-

:cool:

kona786 · 18 Jul 2013 at 20:42

Nexus18 said:
One thing for sure, is that it is a heck of a lot better than the one S/X NLED visibility!

Nexus18 said:
Possibly the camera of the X......

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...and-Aptina-Clarity-Plus-explained_id45435#10-

Good to see innovation. I hope is unveiled next week.

413x · 18 Jul 2013 at 20:55

does it pick up the green by subtraction of red and blue?

sarge78 · 18 Jul 2013 at 21:57

^ Looks like it.

Sensor maker Aptina says its Clarity+ system will allow 13MP smartphones that match the performance of 8MP models

So the camera will be somewhere the N4 and GS4?