Google Pixel and Pixel XL

Google has often been called a company with lots of managers and I can see it. They don't have a cohesive vision - it is incredibly frustrating as a user. They have Inbox, they have Gmail. They're both email clients but they compete against each other but they kind of are the same thing. Why?

They have Hangouts. They have Allo and Duo. Three apps that basically do the same thing but kind of compete against each other. Why?

You may not like Apple but they have one app for each purpose and they've changed/improved them over time. What Google does is ships an app, a manager gets a nice paycheque as a reward. Another manager commissions a different but essentially same app and they launch something else. Round and round.

They had Nexus. Now they have Pixel. Both essentially the same thing.

Even Samsung has more consistency than Google. They really wonder why the usage of Allo is so poor because they don't market it and they themselves don't know what it is for. It's not surprising that Gmail and Search are the most well-known products because they've been around for a long time. Google doesn't seem to understand it takes time and consistent marketing to get something well known. They have the largest mobile phone OS at their fingertips and they **** up over and over.
 
AndyCr15 said:
Yes, every iOS device has it. No Android option, as that's not Apples way and a big reason why I've never owned an iPhone. Every iOS and Android device could have Duo.



What? Do you have a link for this, as this is news to me? I know they dropped a certain business element of it, but it's still going strong for me.
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Earlier this year Google announced they were dropping text messaging support (SMS) in Hangouts.
 
Gigabit said:
QUOTE "Google has often been called a company with lots of managers and I can see it. They don't have a cohesive vision - it is incredibly frustrating as a user. They have Inbox, they have Gmail. They're both email clients but they compete against each other but they kind of are the same thing. Why?......QUOTE"]

It is called innovation. Floating lots of ideas, throwing them up against a wall and seeing what sticks.

You might have read about why employees like to work at Google. One of the many reasons I believe is the 20% free time where Google motivates its employees to try to discover something new. Innovation is really hard and not every idea works out, as I am sure you appreciate. But sometimes it is not obvious what will succeed and what will not.

As a user, this is sometimes the same....trial and error. For example, I worked out by trial that I prefer Inbox to GMail as I like the photos that easily attach and I like the groupings better. But that was not obvious to me when I first started with Inbox. I am glad that Google decided to offer Inbox as a replacement to Inbox, while giving the user the choice of what is best. My family really likes and uses Duo for calling each other during the work day but we use Hangouts for group calling. Go figure.

And how much "marketing" did Google really do to get GMail used by 1 billion + people daily. Did you see lots of advertising for Google Maps or YouTube over the past say 10 years, also each used by more than 1 billion people?

With 2 billion Android devices in use globally, what I like about Android in general and my Pixel in particular is that I am free to choose what works best for me, not Google telling me what works best for me (which I often hear said is Apple's approach).

It seems a lot of users agree with me.
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Ha ha, almost funny. I don't know what hole you think I'm in. I said it was odd someone swapped phone for Facetime, my point being Duo can be used cross platform. Lots of talk about marketing, which I'm really not sure is relevant in any way. You come along and say it's on all iOS devices (then for some reason you say iOS is only on iPhone, but there's iPads too, so you're technically incorrect) and I confirm, yes, that's my point, Duo is available on iOS and Android. Pretty simple really. As I said, no holes, no digging.
 
Gigabit said:
Google has often been called a company with lots of managers and I can see it. They don't have a cohesive vision - it is incredibly frustrating as a user. They have Inbox, they have Gmail. They're both email clients but they compete against each other but they kind of are the same thing. Why?
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I can't quote the source as I read the article some time ago. It might have been whoever the head Google man is in the UK. Anyway, he said that their philosophy was to come up with an idea and throw it out there and see what comes from it. Some work, some fail. Compare to Apple who stick with the same thing for as long as they can and endlessly iterate on a working idea. Totally different philosophies that give contrasting results in many ways.
 
mulpsmebeauty said:
I can't quote the source as I read the article some time ago. It might have been whoever the head Google man is in the UK. Anyway, he said that their philosophy was to come up with an idea and throw it out there and see what comes from it. Some work, some fail. Compare to Apple who stick with the same thing for as long as they can and endlessly iterate on a working idea. Totally different philosophies that give contrasting results in many ways.
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But my argument was precisely that Google's strategy clearly doesn't work very well because their most successful and well known products are precisely the ones they've stuck with and iterated.

Re Andy digging a hole. You're digging a hole because you can't or won't accept that Apple has a superior strategy for apps such as Facetime, messaging and you keep failing to give any compelling arguments the contrary. So as someone else said, keep digging.
 
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Gigabit said:
Re Andy digging a hole. You're digging a hole because you can't or won't accept that Apple has a superior strategy for apps such as Facetime, messaging and you keep failing to give any compelling arguments the contrary. So as someone else said, keep digging.
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I never even entered into a conversation about that? See my above explanation. No hole. No digging. Apple are better at marketing. They do have a better app strategy. Why would I try and argue otherwise? (Or show where I argued otherwise?)
 
I never said I thought it was odd people don't use Duo. I thought it was odd someone switched devices (quite drastic, is my point) when they had other options. Maybe try and stop creating arguements that aren't there?
 
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