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I'll hold judgement until the issue is resolved one way or the other. I'm still not voting for him either way though - fixing a problem you created in the first place does not make you prime minister material. And I'm doubtful that he's fixed it at all.
Im not a fan of Browns or of labour but he did not cause it. It was the yanks.
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You can't pick your politicians in isolation, thats not how elections work. So if you'd prefer someone else was running the country, out of the likely contenders, who? If you don't like any then who do you dislike least? That's the choice we have.
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I now realise how we got into this mess, too many people reading the newspapers and believing every word that’s printed.
Scare mongering has, I believe doubled the problem and thus we look for an individual to blame it all on, which has landed on Brown's doorstep.
Perhaps there were some things Labour should have done better.
However, how can you suggest this whole mess is down to Brown? You can't, simple as that. There are numerous different factors that have lead to this problem, its now about moving forward and solving it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge Brown fan BUT I personally would much rather have him in charge during this crisis that David Cameron, who, should he get in would scare me greatly. Cameron leading the country during a national emergency? Oh dear, oh dear!
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Pretty much this. How did we come to the point where we choose our leaders based on who we think will cause the least damage?
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I wonder what the Conservatives would do if they were in this situation instead of Labour? I guess we'll never know but it will be interesting to see if this will actually work as well now as it did back in the 1930's.
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its known as the political reach around. Just because he's not one of the top three people in charge in the Labour party, doesn't mean someone at Labour didn't ask him to say what he thought of Gordo's plan and make a point of making a public statement.
Infact the assumption that its a statement to be taken at face value as pure and above board is rather, naive.
Either way, who says its Brown's plan, who says it will work, who says Cameron, Blair or anyone else wouldn't have done the same?
Its been done before, will be done again, in many countries worldwide and was simply the next step. The fact that we were the first to get there, more than anything shows just how bad it got in the UK before other countries. I'm not sure if gloating about how we managed a great last ditch effort in a good way, when we were pretty much the first country to get so bad is really something to boast about. Its like the last guy to drown on the Titanic boasting about dying last, its ok, but its far from a good situation.
Anyway, major plans like this will have been discussed across party lines with idea's and suggestions coming from all over, again , Brown was in charge when the plan got through doesn't equate to Brown writing the thing himself and getting it all done by his lonesome.
It does reek of propaganda and nothing more, the problem is people are short sighted and stupid, he'll claim the victory based on numbers today and if they drop again tomorrow, or next week or next month, that will be due to unforseen and complete removed circumstances beyond his control but still has a victory under his belt.
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Pretty much this. How did we come to the point where we choose our leaders based on who we think will cause the least damage?
It's not new, politicians are generally ideological and the public generally aren't. No party has a platform I completely agree with so if I want to vote I have to choose which of the bits I don't like is least bad. I don't like the tories line on immigration, I don't like Labour's line on civil liberties etc...
Who do I want running the country today, actually I want Brown, because I don't believe anybody else has as much relevant knowledge and I can't see anyone else having the gravitas to take a position of leadership.
I think the article is reasonably fair, bearing in mind it's intended as a criticism of the US government in a very liberal US newspaper, not a celebration of Gordon Brown.
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I wonder what the Conservatives would do if they were in this situation instead of Labour? I guess we'll never know but it will be interesting to see if this will actually work as well now as it did back in the 1930's.
If it works it should work better, it's been done faster and better this time. It took basically 4 years after the great depression to get round to it.
Credit for what, he was the ****** that gave the Bank of England independence, now a toothless waste of space who just fiddle with the interest rate under a mandate of keeping down inflation. Pre-Brown, they would have seen this coming and stopped all of the reckless lending. The FSA was set up by the same fool to take a so called non-partisan regulatory role, reporting to Treasury ministers.
The actual situation we have now, until today, was no body took responsibility for what was happening, the fragmentation of the body put in place to regulate led to no leadership at all. The Northern Rock situation was a classic example, all three bodies, the BoE, FSA and the Government all argued that it was someone else's problem and a bank went to the wall. In the old days the BoE would have called the CoE of NR and warned them of dodgy business practice before they got into trouble. Essentially the BoE used to be in charge of all of the money because as a central bank, they were effectively guaranteeing all of the loans made by other banks. Look up fractional reserve banking if you are unsure how it 'works'.
Brown is an idiot, Labour as a whole are incompetent and, quite frankly, so are all of the major political parties. So are some of the minor political parties for that matter.
The problem cannot be solved because the system is fundamentally flawed. All they have done is put diesel into a petrol engine, as soon as the mix becomes too diluted the engine will sputter again.
The actual situation we have now, until today, was no body took responsibility for what was happening, the fragmentation of the body put in place to regulate led to no leadership at all. The Northern Rock situation was a classic example, all three bodies, the BoE, FSA and the Government all argued that it was someone else's problem and a bank went to the wall. In the old days the BoE would have called the CoE of NR and warned them of dodgy business practice before they got into trouble. Essentially the BoE used to be in charge of all of the money because as a central bank, they were effectively guaranteeing all of the loans made by other banks. Look up fractional reserve banking if you are unsure how it 'works'.
Brown is an idiot, Labour as a whole are incompetent and, quite frankly, so are all of the major political parties. So are some of the minor political parties for that matter.
The problem cannot be solved because the system is fundamentally flawed. All they have done is put diesel into a petrol engine, as soon as the mix becomes too diluted the engine will sputter again.
The way we win is to vote for any party EXCEPT the established three. It doesn't matter, Green, UKIP, Monster Raving Loony, BNP or Socialist Worker, it really doesn't matter. Imagine the total panic in the establishment at the mass rejection of the status quo.
Maybe then they will listen?
Maybe then they will listen?
Shame it won't work and in a week's time we will be back to square one, I hope I am wrong. More worryingly, they will keep messing about whilst denying the underlying fact that the world's banking system is fundamentally flawed. Those in power are either unbelievably naive or are deliberately allowing the system to continue for their own ends. Brown is a puppet, he is certainly a muppet!
Hate is a strong word and I rarely use it but with these idiots I make an exception. I absolutely detest Brown and all of his Labour slugs, they have ruined this country and, in conjunction with the retard across the pond, screwed the world up good and proper.
True AJUK pity there is simply no alternative party in the UK. They are all useless.
Putting aside the FSA which has clearly been a puppet to the banks (much like the Fed is in the US), what makes you so sure? Commentators suggest that the laissez-faire approach dates back to Thatcherite policies, and that seems reasonable. Remember also that before Labour the BofE was seen as very much a political puppet to be directed at the whim of the Government of the day.
I certainly wouldn't want Cameron running the show right now. Maybe later, but not now. Nick Clegg might have been an option until he started with the looney tunes tax cutting agenda. Might as well call them the New Liberal Democrats as they seem to have made a massive U-turn on their tax policy at least. I'd be delighted to see the back of Gordo too, but now isn't the time even if he did create this mess (which I dispute, though I accept he didn't act to stop it).
Yes, I now agree that fractional reserve banking was a disaster waiting to happen, is a disaster waiting to happen, and will so continue. But with all due respect, the Venus Project reads like an episode of Star Trek. Putting computers in charge of everything is all very well until some despot gains control - at which point, say hello to Locutus of Borg*.
* Slight exaggeration to avoid mixing metaphors.
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Hmmm don't think I'll be voting for BNP or UKIP anytime soon, not really into their real policies and we all know what they are!
ERR, nope, blame the iron glad life sucker called thatcher for planting the seed of total greed my friend for this one.
Gordon is doing the best he can, while it may be good enough, or not, only time will tell. I hope he does something about the banks and the greed built into them, for too long they have got away with things that the normal company would be closed down for. Still, greed will always raise its head and always a human around to call it friend, never looking nor caring what will happen in the future as long as he/she is ok.
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What are they then, you know, just in case some of us don't. I will give you a head start, what are their policies on these five issues?
Education
Defence
Crime
Environment
Economy
You think you know what their policies are because you have been told what they are by the Lab/Con/Lib, I doubt you have actually read their manifestos or talked to a party representative so that you can make your own mind up about either of them.
Seriouesly, it doesn't have to be those two parties, it can be in independent or a Green or Save the Hedgehog Party, what matters is that you do not vote for the status quo of the three established parties.
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Well I think it has been well publicised about both the parties feeling towards the ethnic minorities. Need I say more?