This would be the ideal but I imagine the costs and restructuring involved would be astronomical.
Poll: Grammar Schools back on the table.
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This would be the ideal but I imagine the costs and restructuring involved would be astronomical.
I've not even commented on that - but it doesn't have to work like that... why are those teachers not already working at private schools or academys if that is what motivates them?
I couldn't agree more. No one meets you half way with these things, and with something as critical as your child's education I have no issues in exploiting any advantage I can get (economic or whatever) to give my children every opportunity I can get them.
Here's a radical idea. Grammar schools should be re-introduced into a few limited areas and the impact measured closely over the course of the next fifteen to twenty years.
Of course, that is unlikely because every idea an MP has must be good or must be bad. It can't be an unknown that we need to explore because only certainty gets votes.
Of course, that is unlikely because every idea an MP has must be good or must be bad. It can't be an unknown that we need to explore because only certainty gets votes.
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Schools cant compensate for bad parents/parenting.
My mum works in a school where some of the children come in stinking, tired and hungry. Bad, but not bad enough for social services to do anything. These children tend to be disruptive and require additional attention taking away from those who are well behaved and looking to use their time constructively at school.
It is not the child's fault. We restrict so many things in this country but anyone can create a human life regardless of how responsible or competent they are.
Schools are there to teach children, not socialise and meet their basic human needs, that is the job of the parents.
Well, you did comment on it.
You suggested the status quo is maintained for those not making Grammar - "they go to a regular school as they do now".
Which ignores (H4rmony's point) the impact of grammar schools upon the Comps in the area.
Why are there such things as good and bad teachers at all? I get that there will always be minor differences in ability, but the gulf shouldn't be as wide as to negatively impact certain schools who lose 'good' teachers.
Firstly, it's "academies", Mr. Grammar School Proponent.
Secondly, the principle you describe already happens and illustrates what I'm saying. And if you increase the segregation between schools, then such opportunities to do this will increase in proportion. Your question is akin to someone asking "if reducing vaccinations causes more cases of measles why aren't there already cases of measles in the unvaccinated population?" There are - and this would increase it further. It's not a binary thing, it's a spectrum, so don't cast it as a binary thing.
No I didn't - you can't have it both ways... I've either ignored it or I've commented on it...
There are good and bad teachers for the same reasons there are people good and bad at any job. Some people are run-down, some people are less capable, some people don't want to be in the job and think they should be doing a different job, some people have psychological or social issues that interfere with their performance, some people have more or less supportive non-work life that helps or hinders their work life. Surely you had good and bad teachers at the school you went to and noticed a significant gap in some cases? Surely wherever you work now there are people who are noticeably better or worse at their jobs? I'm not a big fan of "shouldn't", experience says otherwise.
What?
You suggested no loss to the kids who miss out on grammars - "they go to regular school like they do now".
Or did you mean something else by that?
Maybe you commented on it but ignored what it was saying. A straw-man is one example, a disguised topic shift is another. It is possible to post a reply to someone yet ignore what they are saying. You absolutely can have it both ways. Or try to.
I've not even stated a position for or against grammar schools yet... perhaps you're better sticking to what has been said instead of focusing on spelling.
I've not 'cast it as a binary thing'. I'm questioning the idea that the best teachers are at grammar and private schools.
I get that and agree. I understand why we have good and bad teachers right now. If we tackle that gulf in an attempt to narrow it, surely that would be a good thing?
Victorians used to have older children teach the younger ones. Of course that's more viable when your lessons are rote lessons so it wouldn't work well today in a simple form. However, it did provide a form of progression based on ability rather than age as groups were small and you could be sent to an older kid who taught at a higher level if they thought you were too advanced for their group.
Certainly it's good to improve teaching standards. There's no disagreement there. But it does not offset the impact that increasing the segregation in school quality would have. You'd have to achieve a very radical homogenisation of teaching ability to make the drift of more able teachers towards grammar schools insignificant.
I'm for grammar schools, myself.
I went to one whereas my best friend went to the comprehensive next door. Massively different in terms of behaviour, the other school had proper fights and whatnot going on every day to insane levels, I remember my friend coming home one day cut and bleeding, turns out someone else used the hook to hold up boxing bags as a weapon.
I went to one whereas my best friend went to the comprehensive next door. Massively different in terms of behaviour, the other school had proper fights and whatnot going on every day to insane levels, I remember my friend coming home one day cut and bleeding, turns out someone else used the hook to hold up boxing bags as a weapon.
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Then the aim ought to be to improve the quality of teachers across the board rather than hold back children from reaching their full potential.
It's time's like these you realise how destructive the Left can be at times: They'd rather hold everyone back than let some get ahead in life. Better we're all miserable than some happy.
It's especially dire when you consider only a small minority of people make the big contributions to society. Holding those people back could be robbing us of the British Facebook, a British Nissan or even a cure for cancer.
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Why is this an argument for grammar schools? It seems to presuppose a viewpoint where you're the child that gets to go to the school where people don't cut each other with boxing bag hooks. A little like a politician looking at only the upside of a war because nobody they know will have to go and fight.
Then we agree with each other
I'd like to see it happen, or a start at the very least.