Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [12th - 13th November 2022]

I guess the amount of money involved (and maybe the big teams stockpiling?) means the smaller teams make less use of their academies. Must admit that I can't recall many other youth team graduates at Leicester over recent years.
 
I'm not sure if you're aware but those stats are for PL appearances from players currently at that club, regardless of which club they've made those appearances with. For instance Tom Heaton is included in Utd's stats as he was resigned a year or so ago despite all his PL appearances being for Burnley where as Sancho's appearances aren't recorded on City's as he's at Utd now.
 
It's a list of players playing for teams that came through their academy. Sancho wouldn't show because he's not playing for City :p I think the appearances is just total league appearances.
 
planty said:
I guess the amount of money involved (and maybe the big teams stockpiling?) means the smaller teams make less use of their academies. Must admit that I can't recall many other youth team graduates at Leicester over recent years.
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The big clubs hoover up all the talent now. Chelsea started it and just loan out their players to the smaller clubs. If you are a player it makes sense as you have that chance in a big club but if not just get loaned out to that Premier League team.

The Saints and Westham are the ones I can think of in last 20 years but not much since then. All their players poached.

To think Westham had Lampard, Joe Cole, Rio Ferdinand and Carrick at one point from their academy.
 
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Oh yea I wasn't bothered by the appearances stat, moreso the number of former academy players for each team and which ones of those are actually regulars in the team.
 
Shamikebab said:
It's a list of players playing for teams that came through their academy. Sancho wouldn't show because he's not playing for City :p I think the appearances is just total league appearances.
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Yes and that's the point I'm making. It doesn't show you how successful an academy has been at producing players because it doesn't factor in where the appearances have been made. If City and Utd produce the exact same quantity and quality of academy player, Utd would naturally have more appearances on that link from planty as it's far harder to get into the City side than it is Utd's. The figures in isolation are fairly misleading as it includes 100 odd appearances for a fairly average keeper at Burnley in favour of Utd but discount City's academy producing a £80m player that will no doubt make several hundred appearances at a top 4-6 club. I think we can all agree that City producing Sancho was a bigger achievement than Utd producing Heaton.

Going back to Adam's original point, he was having a dig at Chelsea and City's academy's but they're doing their job. They might not be producing lots of players for their first team (but even that's changing more recently) for varying reasons but they're producing lots of PL quality players which they've raised big money from, helping them to spend more on their first team.
 
BaZ87 said:
Yes and that's the point I'm making. It doesn't show you how successful an academy has been at producing players because it doesn't factor in where the appearances have been made. If City and Utd produce the exact same quantity and quality of academy player, Utd would naturally have more appearances on that link from planty as it's far harder to get into the City side than it is Utd's. The figures in isolation are fairly misleading as it includes 100 odd appearances for a fairly average keeper at Burnley in favour of Utd but discount City's academy producing a £80m player that will no doubt make several hundred appearances at a top 4-6 club. I think we can all agree that City producing Sancho was a bigger achievement than Utd producing Heaton.

Going back to Adam's original point, he was having a dig at Chelsea and City's academy's but they're doing their job. They might not be producing lots of players for their first team (but even that's changing more recently) for varying reasons but they're producing lots of PL quality players which they've raised big money from, helping them to spend more on their first team.
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I think you're misunderstanding Baz. The link isn't suggesting it's an exhaustive record of an academy's quality. Planty was just following on from Rob's point about academy players currently playing for their own clubs in the PL.
 
Shamikebab said:
I think you're misunderstanding Baz. The link isn't suggesting it's an exhaustive record of an academy's quality. Planty was just following on from Rob's point about academy players currently playing for their own clubs in the PL.
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Ok, which is why I asked the question to be clear as I wasn't sure the relevance of the stats. The second paragraph was going back to Adam's opening comment that started this whole thing off though and a more wider point. Looking at how many academy players are in x's squad doesn't really paint the full picture of how successful that club's academy has been.

The biggest clubs are producing the most players because they're hoarding all the best talent from a young age. How many will then go on to play for that side will depends on a number of factors, not simply how successful that club has been at nurturing those kids. As I said, getting into x as opposed to City's side will be far easier or in Chelsea's case, until recently their managers were always under short term pressure so chose to go for experience over youth. Both City and in particular Chelsea are producing the quality and quantity of players as well as anybody else though.
 
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