Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [21st - 23rd January 2022]

omnomnom said:
Ok how about another rule where a striker can take a shot, miss then if hes taken out its a penalty?

I think this ones harsh but i say it everyweek...strikers are constantly taken out after they shoot.
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Not a penalty in my books. For me, a penalty is for when a player denies a goalscoring opportunity or its a clear and obvious foul that prevents them continuing play in the box.

If you are sprinting full pace and you get the tiniest of touches before the defender and that touch sends the ball out of play then the "foul" has not given the defender an advantage. If you shoot and are then taken out then in 99% of cases that foul has no impeded your shot and you haven't lost any advantage.

The problem is that the way I would like the game to be refereed for penalties doesn't follow a simple set of rules. The current rules are basically "if there is any contact in the box its a penalty".

There is no good way to do it unfortunately but we have gone way too far towards giving attackers a massive advantage.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Meh, win’s a win but didn’t deserve it at all. Lack of game management and the form of Matip is a real concern, VVD and Fabinho looked off it too.
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I'm not going to go as far as to say we didnt deserve to win at all. We were still 2-1 up even without the penalty and with time rapidly running out, so I think we still would have won but that doesnt negate that it wasnt a penalty imo
 
fez said:
Not a penalty in my books. For me, a penalty is for when a player denies a goalscoring opportunity or its a clear and obvious foul that prevents them continuing play in the box.

If you are sprinting full pace and you get the tiniest of touches before the defender and that touch sends the ball out of play then the "foul" has not given the defender an advantage. If you shoot and are then taken out then in 99% of cases that foul has no impeded your shot and you haven't lost any advantage.

The problem is that the way I would like the game to be refereed for penalties doesn't follow a simple set of rules. The current rules are basically "if there is any contact in the box its a penalty".

There is no good way to do it unfortunately but we have gone way too far towards giving attackers a massive advantage.
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"If you shoot and are then taken out then in 99% of cases that foul has no impeded your shot and you haven't lost any advantage."

That doesn't matter.


A penalty is a foul in the box isn't it...not denying a goal scoring opportunity. Simply a direct free kick offence in the box.

If Kante today has the ball, passes it to Mount but Kane goes steaming through the back of him is it a foul?

Yes

If Kante misplaces said pass and its going out for a throw in but again is taken out by Kane is it a foul?

Yes
 
The way I’ve always looked at it is if the foul is sufficient to be given outside then box then it’s 100% a penalty in the box, a keeper taking out a striker after they have shot then that is a late challenge and should be punished exactly the same as a late challenge by the centre circle.
 
The fact that Jota had played the ball doesn't (or shouldn't) change anything. If something is a foul then it's a foul regardless of whether they've played the ball or not.

The issue with this penalty was that Jota steps into the keeper. It's an art that the likes of Kane and Vardy have mastered but they shouldn't be given as fouls, especially not with VAR. We've been due a decision or two of late though.

Edit: I wish we would stop this habit of knocking off at 2-0 though! I've lost count of the number of times we've gone 2-0 up this season and turned to ****.
 
omnomnom said:
"If you shoot and are then taken out then in 99% of cases that foul has no impeded your shot and you haven't lost any advantage."

That doesn't matter.


A penalty is a foul in the box isn't it...not denying a goal scoring opportunity. Simply a direct free kick offence in the box.
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I'm not suggesting my plan is perfect or even workable but just because there is contact in the box doesn't mean it should be a penalty. I'm not arguing that the rules are being incorrectly applied, I am suggesting I don't like the rules.

omnomnom said:
If Kante today has the ball, passes it to Mount but Kane goes steaming through the back of him is it a foul?

Yes

If Kante misplaces said pass and its going out for a throw in but again is taken out by Kane is it a foul?

Yes
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The problem with this is the punishment for a foul in your own half isn't the same as a foul in the box. A free kick in your own box is worthless compared to a free kick just outside the opposition penalty area. We already treat fouls differently depending on where they occur on the pitch and the how much of an advantage they give the offending team. I would like to see that logic applied in the box. The problem is that its very hard to do.
 
Atrocious from us today. We’ve badly lost our way in recent weeks, but it doesn’t help when your best two midfielders insist on having brain farts and leaving us decimated in the middle.
 
Yeah, got overshadowed by the pen appeal but that was an even better pass than his assist midweek.

Watching the highlights back, Trent's attacking game has really improved with his switch to playing more infield with Henderson overlapping and providing the width down the right but it hasn't half hurt Henderson's pressing game, feel we really missed that side of him today.
 
fez said:
I'm not suggesting my plan is perfect or even workable but just because there is contact in the box doesn't mean it should be a penalty. I'm not arguing that the rules are being incorrectly applied, I am suggesting I don't like the rules.



The problem with this is the punishment for a foul in your own half isn't the same as a foul in the box. A free kick in your own box is worthless compared to a free kick just outside the opposition penalty area. We already treat fouls differently depending on where they occur on the pitch and the how much of an advantage they give the offending team. I would like to see that logic applied in the box. The problem is that its very hard to do.
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That isnt the laws of the game though. So whilst I appreciate the "reward" is different the law is exactly the same regardless of where it is,

Potential red card.

Not watching, havent see it but red all day imo.
 
robfosters said:
Atrocious from us today. We’ve badly lost our way in recent weeks, but it doesn’t help when your best two midfielders insist on having brain farts and leaving us decimated in the middle.
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The winter break is much needed, legs look tired. Also basically the same game as last season except Burnley didn’t get the jammy smash and grab goal to take the W.
 
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