Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [25th-28th Sep 2020]

Which means nothing, how many of the goals were down to the goal keeper not being able to do the simple things, same with pickford are you saying that's a coaching problem too and he's a scapegoat. Problems with the defence? With both teams its far more likely the defences are jittery as **** having such poor form keepers behind them. Again you're not a scape goat if you are messing up like Kepa has been. It's odd because all I have seen on here and radio etc is people saying Everton and Chelsea won't get anywhere with the keepers they have and now you are saying Kepa is a scape goat. More likely it just suits the trend to have a reason to bash Lampard. Is DeGea a scapegoat too?

Kepa is terrible yes but as equall their defence that seemingly can’t be coached by Lampard or his team. Kepa who was blamed for being **** not Christienson, Kouma, Azpi, Rudiger etc for being terrible defenders. Lampard is the media darling but he’s slowly and surely getting found out.
 
Lampard consistently blames his players every time you concede, surely they should take the credit for the come back too?

He's not innocent in whole thing of course. Some of his starting formations raise questions at times but he made some tactical changes that worked. I don't think many on here gave him credit for finishing 4th with the transfer ban in his first season in Prem either. How many goals have have been conceded by player mistakes so far? I'd say all 3 today could have been prevented and Kepa was at fault against Liverpool. Cant blame tactics on Silva making a mistake that he shouldn't be doing and West Brom punished it. Alonso should be playing better knowing Chilwell will be first choice when fit but was at fault for first.

He needs a defensive coach to help out. Good in attack but defence is a worry.
 
Why did he keep picking the keeper? Why did he drop him, bring him back, drop him, bring him back etc.

Did you see his post match interview today (and last week)? He literally said that all the goals Chelsea conceded were pure mistakes, nothing to do with tactics etc and nothing he could work on. Lets pretend that Chelsea's defensive issues are purely down to individual mistakes, why's Lampard picking these players? Why has he just spent £150m+ on forwards and not focussed that on his defenders.

Chelsea's defensive record is appalling and not all those goals have been down to individual mistakes either. I mentioned it earlier, he's constantly chopping and changing his system, dropping players and brining them back in. He looks clueless but post match he constantly looks for excuses.
Sorry to go back to it, but it’s like our situation. Gary Neville literally said our defence was uncoachable, and for a long time under Wenger and Emery, it looked it. But now look at the difference under Arteta. It’s like night and day. Chelsea conceded as many goals today against West Brom as we have in our last 6 against the like of City, Chelsea and Liverpool.

No defence with quality footballers is uncoachable. That’s simply an excuse for poor coaching.
 
He's not innocent in whole thing of course. Some of his starting formations raise questions at times but he made some tactical changes that worked. I don't think many on here gave him credit for finishing 4th with the transfer ban in his first season in Prem either. How many goals have have been conceded by player mistakes so far? I'd say all 3 today could have been prevented and Kepa was at fault against Liverpool. Cant blame tactics on Silva making a mistake that he shouldn't be doing and West Brom punished it. Alonso should be playing better knowing Chilwell will be first choice when fit but was at fault for first.

He needs a defensive coach to help out. Good in attack but defence is a worry.
Why does he deserve credit for finishing 4th? You finished 3rd the season before, picked up more points and won the Europa League. Yes you lost Hazard but you added Pulisic, Mount, Abraham & Tomori to the squad, Hudson Odoi returned from injury too. The transfer ban has been way over played with many more sides, without a transfer ban, adding fewer players to their squad than Chelsea did. Our only senior signing was Adrian on a free!

Chelsea conceded 54 goals last season, the 8th worst in the League and have now conceded 6 in 3 this season. That's shocking for a side that's meant to be competiting at the top of the table and you cannot blame that on individual mistakes. Chelsea are a shambles at the back and Lampard has to take his share of that blame. Maybe finding a settled system and not one week playing a back 3/5 the next a 4-3-3 and the next a 4-2-3-1. Maybe he could have handled the goalkeeper situation better, not changing keeper every other week - I'm sure that hasn't helped either with their confidence. And if your defenders just aren't very good then maybe don't spend £150m+ on forwards and or use your £140m worth of defensively minded midfielders better to protect them.

Because he's Frank Lampard he seems to get an easy time in the press with every post match interview starting with "individual mistakes letting you down again Frank" and he doesn't need any encouragement to go along with it. Last week Chelsea were a match for Liverpool and if Kepa doesn't make the mistake and Jorginho doesn't miss the pen then you've got a draw, at least that's what Lampard wanted people to believe. That's over simplistic bs. Liverpool controlled the game from start to finish and 'if Kepa doesn't make the mistake" we don't take our foot off the gas and continue to dominate and most likely score another anyway. But Lampard just wanted to put forward the idea that Chelsea played better than they did and if it wasn't for those individual mistakes again then you'd have got a result.

At the moment all I see from Lampard is throwing players on the pitch and hoping for the best - I don't have a clue what system he wants to play or where he sees certain players playing. Havertz, Werner and Mount seem to play a different position every 45 minutes in the opening 3 games. Thankfully for Lampard he has much better players than the opposition most weeks and that usually proves the difference but it's not sustainable.
 
It’s about time Burnley went down tbh, if Mee and Tarkowski are out for a lengthy period/sold they’re in trouble this season.
 
It’s about time Burnley went down tbh, if Mee and Tarkowski are out for a lengthy period/sold they’re in trouble this season.
They're such a terrible side to watch. That last passage of play was horrific - the last few seconds and they're desperately trying to work a crossing opportunity but not one player is confident enough to cross a moving ball and they just pass it about until the ref blows up :o
 
Why does he deserve credit for finishing 4th? You finished 3rd the season before, picked up more points and won the Europa League. Yes you lost Hazard but you added Pulisic, Mount, Abraham & Tomori to the squad, Hudson Odoi returned from injury too. The transfer ban has been way over played with many more sides, without a transfer ban, adding fewer players to their squad than Chelsea did. Our only senior signing was Adrian on a free!

Chelsea conceded 54 goals last season, the 8th worst in the League and have now conceded 6 in 3 this season. That's shocking for a side that's meant to be competiting at the top of the table and you cannot blame that on individual mistakes. Chelsea are a shambles at the back and Lampard has to take his share of that blame. Maybe finding a settled system and not one week playing a back 3/5 the next a 4-3-3 and the next a 4-2-3-1. Maybe he could have handled the goalkeeper situation better, not changing keeper every other week - I'm sure that hasn't helped either with their confidence. And if your defenders just aren't very good then maybe don't spend £150m+ on forwards and or use your £140m worth of defensively minded midfielders better to protect them.

Because he's Frank Lampard he seems to get an easy time in the press with every post match interview starting with "individual mistakes letting you down again Frank" and he doesn't need any encouragement to go along with it. Last week Chelsea were a match for Liverpool and if Kepa doesn't make the mistake and Jorginho doesn't miss the pen then you've got a draw, at least that's what Lampard wanted people to believe. That's over simplistic bs. Liverpool controlled the game from start to finish and 'if Kepa doesn't make the mistake" we don't take our foot off the gas and continue to dominate and most likely score another anyway. But Lampard just wanted to put forward the idea that Chelsea played better than they did and if it wasn't for those individual mistakes again then you'd have got a result.

At the moment all I see from Lampard is throwing players on the pitch and hoping for the best - I don't have a clue what system he wants to play or where he sees certain players playing. Havertz, Werner and Mount seem to play a different position every 45 minutes in the opening 3 games. Thankfully for Lampard he has much better players than the opposition most weeks and that usually proves the difference but it's not sustainable.

How many managers end up in Premiership in just their second season of management? He inherited a squad that was in need of an overhaul and had to get them used to playing a different style of football plus relying on products from the youth system. Yes we finished third but Sarri-ball wasn't great a lot of the time and teams figured out how to counter it. Without Hazard we wouldn't of done so well. Liverpool finished 8th in Klopp's first season after finishing 6th the season before to put things into perspective.

You do have some valid points, and I agree he doesn't seem to know players best positions or best formation yet. He's been backed heavily by the club so it's up to him to prove he is up to the job now and can handle the pressure, not just from the board but also keeping players happy and performing. Will he see season out? I'd like to hope so and deserves a chance to show what he can do with his type of players but he needs to learn from his mistakes otherwise he'll be out of a job.
 
Another shambles day in regards to the new handball laws, no idea why they implemented them. At this rate surely they’ll need to be changed? Otherwise so many games will continue to be ruined by ridiculous rules.
 
Watching MOTD. For me that was handball. What was Maupay doing lifting his arm like that?

Utd got lucky though. Brighton should have had a pen.
 
How many managers end up in Premiership in just their second season of management? He inherited a squad that was in need of an overhaul and had to get them used to playing a different style of football plus relying on products from the youth system. Yes we finished third but Sarri-ball wasn't great a lot of the time and teams figured out how to counter it. Without Hazard we wouldn't of done so well. Liverpool finished 8th in Klopp's first season after finishing 6th the season before to put things into perspective.

You do have some valid points, and I agree he doesn't seem to know players best positions or best formation yet. He's been backed heavily by the club so it's up to him to prove he is up to the job now and can handle the pressure, not just from the board but also keeping players happy and performing. Will he see season out? I'd like to hope so and deserves a chance to show what he can do with his type of players but he needs to learn from his mistakes otherwise he'll be out of a job.
*Klopp's first part season. And as I've said to Utd fans when they done the Klopp/Ole thing, you could see what Klopp was building. Does anybody even know what system Lampard wants to play? I don't think he does, which is why we're seeing him moving players here, there and everywhere. On the Klopp comparison again, one of the keys to our success is because we've had a clear plan and a very clinical approach to transfers. We've targeted specific players for specific roles within the side. Watching what Lampard is doing with Werner and Havertz at the moment, it's like he's never seen them before. You pay £70-90m on Havertz and you play him in 4 different positions in 3 games?

Fwiw I don't think Lampard done terribly last season, it was just about par for the course but the constant praise and talk of the transfer ban is a bit ott and his comments towards the end of the season and start of this season are of somebody that's just trying to protect himself from criticism. At some point he's got to look to himself and ask what he could do better or differently because sooner or later people will stop making excuses for him, especially after they spent £200m.
Utd got lucky though. Brighton should have had a pen.
They were lucky in the sense that is always given as a pen and put down as clever play but it's a dive. Too often strikers get away with just stepping into defenders and creating contact so hopefully today sets a precedent.
 
The Maupay one was not really like the other stupid handballs that have been given, his hand was above his head. I feel like that would have been given under the old system too.
 
The Maupay one was not really like the other stupid handballs that have been given, his hand was above his head. I feel like that would have been given under the old system too.
The stupid thing about that one was the fact the game was over, final whistle blown and was then restarted for the pen.

The others were just ridiculous because of the stupid new handball rule
 
The stupid thing about that one was the fact the game was over, final whistle blown and was then restarted for the pen.

The others were just ridiculous because of the stupid new handball rule

Well play was still active, it doesn't matter if the ref blows his whistle after it. If the ref misses something then VAR does it's job.
 
It’s about time Burnley went down tbh, if Mee and Tarkowski are out for a lengthy period/sold they’re in trouble this season.

That's mainly why I wanted Villa to stay up last season. Bournemouth are pretty similar in that regard as they made no attempt to try and establish themselves as a premier league side but merely to scrape along for the pay check. 5 years they were in the top flight and made no attempt to improve their stadium at all.

Burnley are pretty much the same in that regard. I think Sean Dyche wanted to improve on Burnley in the beginning but he over achieves and even he doesn't really care anymore.
 
It wasn't after the final whistle though. VAR was checking for an incident that happened before the final whistle was blown.

I'm fully aware why the game was restarted, but the ref didn't see the incident and had blown for full-time. The game was stopped and then VAR stepped in and causedthe game to restart. Like I say, not even Fergie achieved that, it's a new one.

I'm sure we can all agree this new handball rule has ruined the game. There's a penalty in every game now and they're not justified. It's causing poor teams to get results they don't deserve.
 
It was only controversial because we've not seen it before but I was reading on twitter that last season in Germany they had an incident where the final whistle was blown, half the players had already returned to the dressing room and then VAR awarded a penalty.
 
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