Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [26th - 27th Dec 2020]

omnomnom said:
You dont need to floor someone for it to be a foul. If you want on that then theyd never be given.
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No one thinks you need to floor someone but you have to do something that causes a disadvantage to the player illegally. If you barely touch him and it doesn't effect any part of what he is doing, how is that a foul?

omnomnom said:
You dont even need to make contact lmao. You cannot kick someone...regardless of whether it would floor someone or not.
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So is any contact at all in the box a foul if the attacker goes down? Thats pretty much what you are saying. Regardless of whether it gains the defender an advantage or penalises the striker.

I'm not even convinced I can see any contact at all let alone enough to be a penalty. The only contact is when he leaves his leg behind as he dives.
 
BaZ87 said:
Any contact isn't a foul but I'm sure the rules specifically say that kicking (or tripping) or attempting to kick (or trip) is a foul. James kicks Tierney. It wasn't a massive kick but it's still a foul.

People get so hung up about the consequence of the action rather than the action itself. It doesn't matter whether Tierney is completely unimpeded, stumbles or his ankle snaps - none of that changes what James done and it's what James does that makes it a foul or not.
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People also seem to be missing James kicking Tierney's foot forwards, before he drops his foot back and the second contact is made. For me it's that contact which looks like it overbalances him. It's clumsy from James, there's not a huge amount of contact but there's enough - I think not giving a penalty would have been more wrong than giving one
 
BaZ87 said:
Any contact isn't a foul but I'm sure the rules specifically say that kicking (or tripping) or attempting to kick (or trip) is a foul. James kicks Tierney. It wasn't a massive kick but it's still a foul.
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Where does he actually kick him? The only time I can see anything is when Tierney starts going down after he has left his leg trailing.

BaZ87 said:
People get so hung up about the consequence of the action rather than the action itself. It doesn't matter whether Tierney is completely unimpeded, stumbles or his ankle snaps - none of that changes what James done and it's what James does that makes it a foul or not.
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Of course there needs to be consequences of your action for it to be a foul. How on earth can it be for anything else. You can't give a foul when there is no contact or consequence to a players actions. If a player is running through on goal with no one but the keeper in front of him it doesn't matter how badly a defender chasing him swipes at his legs if he completely misses and doesn't cause the attacker to stumble, break stride or take evasive action.
 
fez said:
No one thinks you need to floor someone but you have to do something that causes a disadvantage to the player illegally. If you barely touch him and it doesn't effect any part of what he is doing, how is that a foul?



So is any contact at all in the box a foul if the attacker goes down? Thats pretty much what you are saying. Regardless of whether it gains the defender an advantage or penalises the striker.

I'm not even convinced I can see any contact at all let alone enough to be a penalty. The only contact is when he leaves his leg behind as he dives.
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If it happened to Bruno, you’d be screaming for it. In fact, he’s got a lot softer pens than that. Bet you weren’t complaining then?

He kicks the bottom of his foot before he goes down.
 
robfosters said:
If it happened to Bruno, you’d be screaming for it. In fact, he’s got a lot softer pens than that. Bet you weren’t complaining then?

He kicks the bottom of his foot before he goes down.
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Bruno hasn't got any softer ones that that but I've said on a few occasions that penalties we have got have been very soft and shouldn't have been given. Strangely enough I don't want to see any team getting crap penalties and being rewarded for that sort of thing even my own. Mad eh.
 
fez said:
Where does he actually kick him? The only time I can see anything is when Tierney starts going down after he has left his leg trailing.

Of course there needs to be consequences of your action for it to be a foul. How on earth can it be for anything else. You can't give a foul when there is no contact or consequence to a players actions. If a player is running through on goal with no one but the keeper in front of him it doesn't matter how badly a defender chasing him swipes at his legs if he completely misses and doesn't cause the attacker to stumble, break stride or take evasive action.
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Not according to the rules fez. The rules clearly state, kicking/tripping or attempting to kick/trip is a foul. It doesn't say, if the attacker stumbles or breaks his leg etc. As for your point about a player running through on goal, if a defender takes a swipe and misses, it's still an illegal action but obviously the official is going to play the advantage as they would in 99% of instances where the attacker is still 100% in possession of the ball and not impeded.

Tierney plays for it, Tierney goes down when he could have probably stayed up but none of that changes what James does. James makes a deliberate action* in attempting to win the ball, he doesn't win the ball and kicks Tierney.

*As opposed to the Vardy/Kane type situations where the defender is making no challenge at all and the forward has just ran into them and thrown themselves to the ground.
 
fez said:
Bruno hasn't got any softer ones that that but I've said on a few occasions that penalties we have got have been very soft and shouldn't have been given. Strangely enough I don't want to see any team getting crap penalties and being rewarded for that sort of thing even my own. Mad eh.
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But if it looks to you as though every team are getting these incorrect penalties, even your own team, and it keeps happening, then maybe your understanding of the rules is wrong
 
fez said:
Bruno hasn't got any softer ones that that but I've said on a few occasions that penalties we have got have been very soft and shouldn't have been given. Strangely enough I don't want to see any team getting crap penalties and being rewarded for that sort of thing even my own. Mad eh.
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The Villa one was scandalous. Bruno should have got a red, not a pen.
 
manic111 said:
But if it looks to you as though every team are getting these incorrect penalties, even your own team, and it keeps happening, then maybe your understanding of the rules is wrong
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Thats some odd logic... was Pickfords tackle on VVD OK? Was the tackle on Martinelli from the City keeper OK? What about when defenders completely ignore the ball going out at the back and basically wrestle the attacker to stop them getting to the ball. The same thing that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch. What about the inconsistent application of the handball rule. I could go on. VAR has shown that it doesn't eliminate errors especially if it would contradict the decision of the ref. If he gives a penalty and there isn't the most clear cut case of cheating, the penalty will stand.
 
robfosters said:
The Villa one was scandalous. Bruno should have got a red, not a pen.
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The one where he tries a bit of skill and accidentally stands on the defenders ankle? No it shouldn't have been a penalty but A) how was that cheating and B) Hows that a red card. No intent, had the ball and entirely bad luck that he stands on the defender.

Oh Chelsea. Arsenal are spending all thier luck in one game. They should have saved a few of these goals.
 
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